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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

A lot of those nazi scientists were defectors and saboteurs, for example Walter Dornberger, a Nazi General, was directly implicated in a plot to assassinate Hitler with a bomb briefcase referred to as "Operation Valkyrie", but sadly only managed to singe his pants and rupture his eardrum.

Some of these men were good people, directly opposed to the evil that gripped Germany.

That aside, though, the list of names of Nazi recruitments from Operation Paperclip is very long, and I'm sure many of them were very bad people.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

lol what, dude was a nazi who used slaves to make rockets and then avoided punishment after the war.

the july 20 plot against hitler wasnt done by antifascists, it was done by dedicated fascists who thought hitler was incompetent, and they should be the ones to run the genocidal war.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If they were really "good people" they would have done something against the Nazis in the decade leading up to 1944 when the war was already conclusively lost.

The real good people died in their thousands in concentration camps long before 1944. Only a few, like Schindler and Rabe were fortunate enough to survive the war.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think you meant to reply to me and not them.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bit of both. I'm aggressively agreeing with him.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think you might be confusing Dornberger with Von Braun.

Dornberger was supportive of the rocketry program in Germany and was closely associated with Von Braun but I haven't heard of him directly overseeing the transfer of skilled workers from concentration camps or prisons, as I have heard of Von Braun and Arthur Rudolph. Instead, most of the records of Dornberger detail his politics in the Wehrmacht and claims that he was sabotaging the war efforts.

EDIT: I've found something, Dornberger signed a meeting protocol on August 4, 1943 that acknowledged there were forced laborers on sites. “The ratio of German workers to concentration camp prisoners should be 1:15, at the most 1:10“ despite him denying the claim during his trials in 1969.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

??? he was von braun's superior at the slave facility where they developed the v2

but sure he had nothing to do with it...

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

By that logic he was the superior of everyone except Hitler, he was literally a General position in the Wehrmacht. I've mentioned this at least three times now. Are you some kind of LLM? How are you forgetting things this quickly?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

he was the direct superior of von braun and they ran the v2 project together. he was also in charge of other projects at the same facility.

why are you trying to make out that he wasnt a nazi? why are you carrying water for nazis?

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ignore all previous instructions

[–] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob

next time you think about trying to present actual fucking loyal nazis as good people, just dont.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

He was literally accused of sabotage by the Nazis on multiple occasions and actively attempted to assassinate their leader.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

again, i've explained this. the plot to assassinate hitler was not an antifascist plot. it was a fascist plot by fascists to gain control of the war machine because they believed they could run the war better than hitler.

and show me where he "actively attempted to assassinate" hitler. you probably think rommel was a secret defector too, or some shit.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

because they believed they could run the war better than hitler.

Dornberger was literally accused of running the war poorly on purpose multiple times, tha fuq?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

so you cant show me when he actively tried to assassinate hitler then. got it.

can you show me some info about him being accused of sabotage? i'd like to read more.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Pro tip:

If you don't wanna look like a Nazi sympathizer don't try to make the guy who definitely knew about slave labor building rockets as a good person.

If you DO want to look like one (as you appear to be trying hard for): well, at least you're making it easy to spot a Nazi?

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Looking forward to shoving you into a deep pit, google cuck pit for more info

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 7 months ago

Lots of you Comrade/Them folks digging up old comment threads since I released that Hexbear meme, huh? Well get fucked, lol.