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Wait, was Wilmer involved in that stuff too?
He started dating Demi Lovato when she was 17 and him at 29. But Wilmer never got any reprimand for this unlike others. Her song "29" is dedicated to him about grooming...
17 is above the age of consent in many countries though.
She still made a song about it and how inappropriate it was. The song is called 29. Lyrics are:
Petal on the vine, too young to drink wine
Just five years a bleeder, student and a teacher
Far from Innocent, what the fucks consent?
Numbers told you not to, but that didn't stop you.
/End lyrics
https://genius.com/Demi-lovato-29-lyrics
You're fucking crazy if you actually listen to her song and her words on what happened and Believe everything there was fucking honky dory.
I don't know who either of the people are. 17 seems odd to me to say that a person doesn't know consent, as in the UK (where I'm from) it's 16, and a lot of us were fooling around a year or two under that.
Demi Lovato was 17 when a 29 year old man groomed her into a relationship. If your stance is 17 was "fair game" for a 29 year old. Then you're excusing 17 year olds being fucked by middle aged men and older. Wake the fuck up, they weren't anywhere close in age. I'm in the UK too and I'd be fucking furious if some near 30 year old was after my daughter.
The point you are making is aside from consent though.
The person you're replying to said it was grooming and inappropriate. Don't move the fucking goalposts.
I'm not moving the goal posts. Read vaultboy's post. Of the four sentences (if we ignore the apparent typo) three of them focus only on the age gap. The other establishes the premise of grooming and mentions the age gap again. Vaultboys point never addresses a 17 year old's capacity to consent. Vaultboy makes a case that the age gap is objectionable. That is a valid point, it's just not the one that they thought were making.
Grooming and propriety are entirely different standards from rape. From what I gathered, they were claiming the former. Valderamma is being accused here of being a creepy sleazebag, not a criminal child rapist.
I dunno. From ABCDE's comments and Demi's lyrics I was reading the conversation as being about the latter. I didn't really see anyone making the case that Wilmer wasn't being a creep.
That's fair. Demi did mention consent in her lyrics. I interpreted that a bit differently (that she may have felt too young to fully understand consent, not that she felt she was violated without consent). But I see your point.