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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The gargantuan savings of paying 10 times as much for any medical, dental, vision or internal medical diagnosis or procedure?

Yale epidemiologists(and every other research scientist) prove that socialized medicine is cheaper:

https://www.citizen.org/news/fact-check-medicare-for-all-would-save-the-u-s-trillions-public-option-would-leave-millions-uninsured-not-garner-savings/

The US would save almost half a trillion a year by switching to Medicare for all.

It's absolutely cheaper, unless you're pretending that taxes are your only expense.

Want to get a be a doctor in the US? 50k to 60k. vs. public education, 1k-4k a year.

Just by going to school in the US, you are crippling yourself financially. Chronic illness? Financially crippling. Car crash injuries? Root canal?

French socialized medicine? A nominal fee for far better healthcare.

Saving a few thousand a year does not offset the tens of thousands of dollars US college students pay every semeste, nor devastating medical debt for anyone with common illnesses, nor millions list in crumbling transportation infrastructure, nor the paltry social security that seniors cannot live on, nor the complete lack of combat veteran support for medical care or housing. Three thousand a year does not cover a fraction of any of these costs in the for-profit US systems.

Ever maintain your car? What is more cost-effective? Changing the fluids and filters annually or buying a new car annually?

The savings are mathematical fact proved for decades by every country using socialized services.

[–] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ever maintain your car? What is more cost-effective? Changing the fluids and filters annually or buying a new car annually?

What's cheaper is not spending my money on a Mercedes for everyone on the block

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mercedes - luxury brand that you pay more for and receive lower quality parts and service. That's the healthcare system you already pay for.

But we can pretend they are a good brand for your sake.

The "Mercedes" in this case costs as much as a Toyota Corolla beside everyone chips in.

Veterans could also get a "Mercedes". Your children, your relatives, could each get the "Mercedes".

Your main argument for paying more money is that you don't want to help people. You're paying many times more money for similar or worse services for no reason other than to deprive others.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Please stop arguing with cars 3:

just use healthcare dudes. It's already present in both countries. no need to use analogies or metaphors. i ain't gonna force either of you, but using these arguments isn't going to get either of you anywhere productive.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hahaha, I love that out of the thread though, the car metaphors are what got to you.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

I mean other stuff did as well, but it's all within the rules.