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‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him
(www.theguardian.com)
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If we have to keep selecting between 2 grades of evil there is no democracy.
... which, if you really feel that way, is exactly why we need to implement more democratic and efficient voting systems, like ranked choice (instant runoff),, STAR, approval, etc.
As American political systems are today, the only viable candidates to win the presidency in 2024 are Joe Biden (a well-meaning, old white man) and Donald Trump (old white narcissistic Putin-loving vindictive criminal rapist who doesn't care for democracy and can't remember his wife's name).
I'll be voting for Biden because even if you really believe he's "evil", he's certainly the far lesser evil than Trump (for the reasons listed above and then some).
I'm not going to hold it against Biden for being old and white. All for moving toward equality but I'd be willing to give anyone a chance if they have some ideas (like an actual platform) and some drive to make some positive change. It's more the fact that Biden seems slightly demented and acts like a prototypical old white man stereotype that worries me. Of course I'm not even going to talk about the alternative though, the choice should be simple here given the options but it's a depressing choice either way.
Ah both sides BS again.
Also correct.
What fuckin crazypants logic is this
"Well what I have is way far away from what I want, so what's the point in choosing the clearly better alternative"
As applied to this particular election, this is like saying "I want to climb this mountain, but the hill in front of me isn't where I want to get to, it's like thousands of feet lower than the summit, so what's the difference if I jump into this ravine filled with lava instead"
Also what happened to that video call where you offered to prove that you were who you say you are? Not a right-wing shill posting anti-Biden things to discourage Democrats from voting?
It's not crazy, it's true. Trump wants a full on fascist system, there's no denying it. But we definitely don't have a democracy. Corporations and billionaires run the country. That's not even touching on the fact that most democrats don't want Biden for a second term, but the DNC is going to force it on us anyway.
Well, you might say that, but when Biden is winning with >90% as a write-in candidate in primaries where he isn't even on the ballot, it's a little bit hard to take it seriously.
There is no serious or viable candidate challenging Biden from the left in 2024, which is why Bernie is out here endorsing him. To pragmatic socialists like Bernie, electing Biden isn't the destination, but the next necessary step to keeping the country on the right path and defending against an existential threat to our democracy. Don't take it from me though, read what he's been saying.
I decided you're obsessed with me and I don't want to doxx myself by giving you my contact info. Go through my reddit history if you want. I'm not a right winger. Same username as here
Would you say you're obsessed with Biden, and how it's important for people not to vote for him in this election? You post about him way more than I engage with your stuff. And yes, I still think it's sus for a couple of different reasons. That's not obsessive, any more than noting from time to time "yo you should be aware, that dude at the bus stop seems like he's acting weird" is obsessing over that dude at the bus stop.
Not doing anything to "prove" who you are seems perfectly reasonable, of course. You were the one who suggested that somewhat odd idea, and then fell silent when I said, sure sounds good, I am curious. But by all means, you do you, keep your privacy, that seems better.
Also, saying you can't be a shill because you had an account on Reddit is like saying "I can't have sand on me, I live at the beach."
Ah yes, I'm such a right wing shill that I posted an article titled... ‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him
Everybody should be critical of our politicians. Hold their feet to the fire. Always.
Critical is one thing -- I actually was convinced recently by Ezra Klein's editorial and Jon Stewart's episode that there are significant reasons to try to put someone other than Biden up in the general election. Why is that? Because they made serious, sensible arguments and seemed genuinely concerned about the future of the country. They didn't say grossly irresponsible things like that there's no difference between Trump and Biden, or give reasons people shouldn't vote in the election. They actually expressed the urgency of what's going to happen in this election as a key reason why it's important to take problems with Biden seriously.
If you were posting things coming at it from that perspective, I'd have no reason to be suspicious of your motives in posting this stuff.
Yes, your MO seems to be a certain percent generically left-wing things, sort of the minimum required to maintain a fig-leaf of general political interest outside of your clear agenda, combined with a heavy percentage of just pure single-issue anti-Biden propaganda. Your most recent 10 articles show the ratio at 30%/70%. The fact that this is one of the 30% doesn't excuse the 70%, to me.
I do try to post negative Trump articles too but then have to delete them as it's a duplicate post already. The sub, or whatever they're called, already has the anti-Trump articles on lock.
"If the majority of people disagree with me, there is no democracy!"
Yeah, it's not fun. When the idiots vote to fly the plane instead of the dreaded experts, it is definitely stupid, but it is also democratic.
I'm just gonna stop replying to political stuff because I start to care, and then I get depressed.
Best of luck everybody.
Yeah. Can't blame you.
I'm writing in "free Palestine" for president this November thanks to this comment condescending about it
"Wow, someone online pointed out that the majority of people supporting two shitty candidates is still democracy! Because of that, I'm gonna do my best to make sure the guy who wants MORE genocide gets in office! That'll really help anyone who isn't a rich cis white conservative Christian male!"
We're headed that direction anyways thanks to people like you
No, it’s people like you who will cause Trump to win. Not the DNC, but people who stupidly throw away their votes or vote Trumpnjust out of spite.
You’re either a shill or completely naive on how the world works.
it was hillary clinton's primary voters in 2016 and Biden's in 2020
Why even bother going to the polls then?
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Here's the reality - it's been 171 years since we've last seen a third party take presidency.
I repeat - 171 years! If you're still foolish to think that this year is the year or foolish then to think that 2020 and 2016 were the years for the Independent Party. All that you're doing is just wasting effort and time going out in the voter's booth and voting Independent just for a self-pat on the back.
Who's arguing about the viability of third-party candidates? Your comment is a non sequitur.
Did you just charge in to try and sound smart by using a big word and asking a dumb question at the same time?
The fuck out of here, moron.
Which of those words would you consider "smart sounding" or "big"?
"All of them"
I'll add that the only, and i'll say it again, ONLY, viable path to 3rd party success in this country is through more democratic voting system reforms. (ranked-choice, STAR, approval, etc.)
Anyone who doesn't understand this is either ignorant, stupid, or playing dumb for sophistry and manipulation's sake.