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  1. over time this might affect our collective consciousness in regards to the purpose & function of the eggplant; and

  2. can we please just get a straightforward penis emoji already?? Half the human population has a penis attached to their bodies anyway, why are we still so prude about incorporating actual penises into mainstream vernacular & daily life?

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[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They are an all ages thing for some... But remember when I said international? I don't particularly like puritanical prudishness but the conservative held belief as those things being inappropriate for all points of society is also pretty common.

I doubt those who keep the emoji want any hassle of the conservative European diaspora middle East, the Americas, facets of Africa and China getting their knickers in a twist.

In the world of stockholder retaliation some things people count as just above their pay grade.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

U realise the unicode consortium only makes standards and describes the meaning the actuall image used is not up to them for instance a thisπŸ‡ΉπŸ‡Ό emoji wont show on most chinese devices if a country doesnt like a dick emoji then they can ban it.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nope, did not realize... But tell me that even my nice progressive Canada wouldn't have hordes of parents flipping the fuck out about little kids being exposed to cartoon porn and I wouldn't believe you.

To be clear it's not like I think there's any moral issue with an emoji set of genitals. I just don't think anybody wants to court that much bother for something already served by a cultural understanding about the eggplant emoji that already exists. In a vaccum of sex and penis innuendos an innuendo will always emerge. Even when we have the option to be explicit sometimes we opt for innuendo. I just don't see there being a lot of value particularly in a cartoon penis. Like okay, you have a cartoon penis, there's a moral outcry. Conservatives get mad and in the end... what exactly has been improved really?

The juice just doesn't seem worth the squeeze.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I live to piss of all extremists and the extreme conservatives are right up there with the most entertaining to annoy. And hey there would be some dam fine jokes about the countries that ban it.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think upsetting those people who are fence sitting into opinions that make them more likely to further solidify their support for conservatives is worth it for cartoon penises personally.

They are hard enough to try and reach for serious mind changing heart to hearts without them feeling like the world is falling to general moral bankruptcy.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Ohh the world fell to general moral bankruptcy long ago.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Are there not already words to represent the same thing to anyone old enough to read a message? A different representation of something they are already potentially exposed to isn't something that technology standards should be censoring.

Especially when the defacto replacement for this is a symbol of something that could very easily give young men a serious sense of inadequacy and insecurity.

edit: (you -> young)

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would countee that wouldn't any single depiction of a penis set an unreasonable standard? Color, size, circumsized vs not etc? At least with a euphemism it is fairly abstract. I don't think anyone looks at an eggplant as a goal.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago

There is already skin tone support for emoji. Size is not a problem because there is nothing to compare it to. Circumsized could be a separate emoji.

[–] emptyother@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They could include it. Give it a spot. But blank. And then it would be up to each OS if they want to include the icon on their device. That way we could at least let those less prudish nations and companies start with a common code point.

Like flags for example. They got codepoints, but Microsoft has decided to not take sides and have ignored country's flags.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

The problem with leaving it blank is that it harms communication if the other party doesn't have that symbol. You may send it because it exists in your country but then they have no idea what you mean.

Maybe having a "tofu" missing character box is ok, but even then if a substantial amount of the world's population isn't going to have this character it maybe be best to leave it out.

That being said, I am still in favour.