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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 193 points 8 months ago (5 children)

This alliance allows the US to maintain a stronger foothold in the Middle East and exert hegemonic power via proxy.

This isn't the only reason, of course, but it's part of it.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (3 children)

And the US wants a foothold in the middle east because oil.

[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

Well, that and keeping ~~the USSR~~ Russia and China out

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the US isn't interested in the oil opportunities in the Middle East, but I think the US wants a foothold everywhere and anywhere across the globe to maintain its position as a global superpower.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the US wants that foothold because of oil. It's not because we wish to become rich off it, it's because oil is essential to keeping our economy stable. Keeping the region stable, or at least "stable" in America's best interests, is paramount.

Doesn't matter what anyone's opinion on our oil consumption is, even in the face of global warming. At this point in time, we need it.

Without oil our economy plummets and that affects the whole world. And we can't fix it anytime soon. I'm seeing hope, but it's painfully slow. FFS, trying to fix this mess bucks the richest interests on the planet. And if we guillotined every one of them, we'd still be in the same place.

I see a lot of talk around here calling talk of the "economy" bullshit, like those numbers only affect the rich, and fuck 'em. Like it or not, we all participate in the economy.

In turn, we're all hurt if it crashes. And that includes the rest of the world. Anyone here old enough to remember the gas station lines after the Iranian revolution?

And spare me talk of coulda/shoula/woulda. America could have done a dozen things better to avoid all this. We didn't. And here we are.

[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

In case you didn't notice, many people are in the middle of the crash right now. So yeah, it's going to suck for everyone, but what are the alternatives?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Read a lot of answers and yours is succinct.

Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.

~ Alexander Haig

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

critical region for American national security.

The rest was true but this one is complete BS

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

+Palestinians are not as white and a religious minority on top of it

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

That and Israel wouldn't hesitate a second before switching sides and allying with Russia and/or China.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It also allows Israel and other relugional institutions to influence US politics.

Who is the hegemon, the vassal or the collector?