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I think Vic Fontaine is one of the weirdest things in Star Trek, and that's saying something. I couldn't believe he had such a big part in DS9. I enjoyed some of it and I always crack jokes about him so it was definitely entertaining but just so very weird.
I think I get what he was supposed to be, it's kind of like when they send comedians and singers onto military bases to boost morale of the troops. It was just such a weird choice to have that style of music. It felt totally out of place to me, and I'm sure it was seriously uncool at the time it was on TV.
Imagine being 15 or something and trying to persuade one of your friends that DS9 is amazing and really cool (which it was and is), so they come round to watch an episode with you and it's Vic Fontaine.
I mean. I prefered DS9s use of swing and lounge to TNGs obsession with poetry, classical and opera music. Glad we've moved past that now and we're getting stuff like Klingon punk in lower decks
In fairness, though, Patrick Stewart did Shakespeare before he did Picard. Have you seen him as a young man playing Oberon? https://www.google.com/search?q=patrick+stewart+oberon&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjStue03pOAAxU6XUEAHb4ZDLUQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=1685&bih=803&dpr=1.14#imgrc=6p-8DlObJa4hpM
Swing and lounge had a bit of a resurgence in the '90s. It was probably a 'blink and you'll miss it' fad, but it was a whole thing for a certain demographic.
I say this as a genuinely uncool person who had listened to very old music from a very young age. (see username) It was unnerving to have other young people suddenly expressing positive interest in my record collection, but it was also nice that companies were reissuing some better content on CD.
That being said, Vic Fontaine was cartoonish and I hated those episodes. If it was meant to be a homage, it was a poor one.
Cool is an elastic thing. Sometimes it means popular. Sometimes it means wonderfully quirky. (I'm thinking of 11th Doctor's descriptions of his unusual sartorial choices.)
Kids like to fit in with their peers, so cool to them probably means what everyone else is into. I didn't like lounge music when I was a kid because it was of my parents' generation. I didn't like opera when I was a kid because I had little exposure to it, so it was weird. Happily, my tastes have broadened. I regret it didn't happen sooner.
Star Trek has become classic (except, maybe, Enterprise) for good reason. That's enough. They snagged James Darren at the end of DS9. Great. Some kids didn't get Vic Fontaine at first blush? Too bad. Try again. The best art requires a little effort.
Also, when you love something, your enthusiasm pulls in others. If they reject it because it's not popular, fuck 'em. Wonderfully quirky people are so much more interesting than people who fit in.