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[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago

I'll go further: actually bothering to talk about some of the positive things that happened under his presidency will be necessary for him to win.

If progressives, leftists, antifascists, etc. can only manage to offer a "I guess he's not a literal pile of shit so maybe I'll consider holding my nose and voting," there's no permission structure for Enlightened Centrists™, Never-Trumpers, or even tired Democrats, to turn out. Trump voters are mad as hell. Lots of them really think the election was stolen from him. They're going to turn out.

We need more than holding your nose.

The child tax credit cut child poverty by possibly as much as 46%. Biden's campaigning on bringing it back to stimulus levels. That's money in the pockets of people who need it the most.

Biden tried to forgive student loan debt. Conservative judges blocked him. Re-elect him so he can keep appointing judges and finding new ways to fight against more bad decisions like this.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act may include some of the most impactful climate policies ever enacted by any American congress since the creation of the EPA.

There are "yes, but"s for each of those points I made but my argument is simple: you don't get to make more accomplishments if you don't talk about the ones you made already.

This hasn't been a perfect administration, we've never had one. But he damn sure hasn't done nothing when it comes to some of the most important political issues of our time.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 months ago

It's weird that there's been so much accomplished but so little talk about it. I only ever hear them listed at the end of a Brian Tyler Cohen video.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To me the issue stems from DNCs reluctance to whole heartedly accepting a progressive platform. They think skating by sipping progressive lite is appeasing the "moderates." When really there are no moderates left to think of. If you are even considering Trump you are full right. No question.

It's hard to give credit to a party that will trip over its own dick to compromise on every single policy.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

Can you please list something he actually did rather than "try"? Because otherwise people should just "try" to vote for him.

The only thing I remember is breaking the back of the railroad strike (most pro union president btw).

[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I listed two already and others have listed more, but I'll take your comment as if it's in good faith anyway and link to:

more information about the Inflation Reduction Act

Which is both a huge investment in infrastructure and climate initiatives and also pretty poorly understood by most people.

And to make a bigger point: on the left we have an intrinsically harder job than the right does, since their argument is that government sucks and then they prove it by working in it and doing a shitty job.

It's hard for government programs to work effectively, even when they have huge popular support. People with money and power always want them to fail. It means our results sometimes aren't pretty, and aren't perfect. But if even we shit all over them at every possible turn, how do you expect average voters to think any different?

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Which is both a huge investment in infrastructure and climate initiatives and also pretty poorly understood by most people.

This sentence represents the DNC's approach to politics so well and why they fail to connect with many voters. They approach politics inversely, coming up with policy and trying to invent/convince a politics around it, so they need a brand to sell their policy basically which Obama was so perfect at. You see this with the former Obama staffers Pod Save guys a lot. They constantly plead with their audience to realize why something like public healthcare isn't a realistic policy, or why some policy that connects with very few is actually the best thing for you. This is also just the general DNC-sympathetic approach in the media coverage, "here's why, despite you struggling with increased economic uncertainty and material stresses as a result of our decaying economic system, your life is actually better because of Biden and the DNC."

Inversely you have the GOP who shamelessly accept any and all public politics to the point of absurdity. Trump is like the inverse-Obama where instead of a political brand selling policy, he's parroting back the politics that people present him with as if it was a "yes, and" improv exercise. And they effectively take that public fear approach towards Trump from the Democrat-sympathetic media and flip it around, "your life didn't significantly change under Trump despite this insane reaction to him," which for many Trump supporters actually connects.

So average voters, they don't care about policy or some political argument, most American's aren't engaged in politics at the online level. They vote based on how much they personally connect with a politician or by circumstance. The DNC fails to approach politics this way and desperately wants to find more Obamas to perform the function they require for their approach to work, vs the GOP who offer up anything no matter how ridiculous or absurd and contradictory.

[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree with you that the DNC, and lots of democrats, are often terrible at messaging.

I'd quibble with your framing about some of these things not connecting with average voters, but I'd rather take a step back a bit.

I guess my main idea is: If we care about the project of government being involved in people's lives in a helpful way, we owe it to people who are less privileged than us to walk and also chew gum here. We, the people who have time and resources to research this stuff and debate instead of picking up a second job to make ends meet.

Maybe you don't have time for this shit. I don't blame or judge you if that's the case. I'm speaking to the terminally online people who have time to worry about this stuff.

And when I say "walk and chew gum" I mean:

  1. Vote in the primary against shitty centrist dems when you can,

  2. Vote for them over their fascist opponent if they win the primary anyway.

  3. Have conversations about solutions that are simple and straightforwardly helpful to people's lives to help broaden that Overton window. Including criticizing the DNC when they fail to offer those.

  4. Do the DNC's job for them on communication about the helpful policies we do get. Because we have gotten some. Positive conversations about government programs that are currently being implemented are not happening enough.

They do take time to implement, and they're not enough, and on and on. I agree with the negative sentiment about it. [Edited out some unhelpful whining here] That said, there's too much work to do for the problems with the DNC to be the whole conversation. If you don't support fascism, we're on the same side.

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