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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. (insideevs.com)

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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have to change your fuel pump that many times when driving for 24 hours? God I hope not. Even if that is fixed, you still have the issue of horrible range unless you want to tow a trailer of liquid hydrogen.

You might want to give some actual backing up your claims. Jason Fenske at least has a mechanical engineering degree which is certainly more than any sources you have cited.

Batteries are continually dropping in price. They also generally last 200-300k miles before they are down to 80-85% capacity. The only exception with that one is the Nissan Leaf which they decided to air cool. The quicker charging will be fixed with solid state batteries in the next 2-3 years.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes because I forgot how gas ice motors were getting 100mpg and 1000 mile ranges with all the comfort and reliability they have today...the tech is in its infancy. Battery breakthroughs have not exactly been great we're still using the same design that's decades and decades old. Until you get a new battery, that's got better range, quicker charging and doesn't require super charging stations and is also able to be run in industrial equipment on a daily basis. ICE motors are not going anywhere.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Range would be about 1/20th to 1/40th of that 1000 mile range you mentioned (about 50 miles with very conservative driving). The Tesla Roadster got significantly more than that and even the GM EV1 back in the 90s got more than that. That is one of the reasons they are just looking into it for racing where range is much less of a factor.

Battery breakthroughs have actually been pretty great. 10 years ago the only affordable EVs got less than 100 mile range. Now you can find affordable EVs with about 300 mile range that have even greater reliability. The Nio ES6 uses a semi-solid state battery and has a 600 mile range. Toyota will have a solid state battery out in 2026 with an even better range, lighter, and will charge up to 80% in less than 10 minutes.

You are correct that ICE is here to stay for a while but that is largely due to trucking and air travel.