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Take Tesla for whatever you will, but there’s crazy conflict of interest behind the dawn project/Dan o’dowd attacking this.
“Green Hills also develops automotive software—it's about 40 percent of the company's business, O'Dowd said—and is a software supplier for the 2022 BMW iX EV crossover. This has caused O'Dowd critics and Tesla fans to call out The Dawn Project's conflict of interest and question the organization's motives.”
https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-full-self-driving-ban-attempt-elon-musk-dan-odowd/
Def conflict of interest, but they aren't necessarily lying, I've personally lost all trust in Teslas autopilot the day Musk stated (paraphrasing) that "aLl wE NeED arE CAmEraS" like no thanks, a safety critical system should have a fall back system. Cameras fuck up a lot and LiDAR came down a lot in cost since then, but anybody who actually even halfway knows what they're doing could have predicted that.
And then all the things Musk's done since just solidified that lol
I am so ready to get a fully autonomous car, but not a fucking Tesla that's for damn sure, I'll wait for some other manufacturer.
I have used both. Even under ideal conditions the cameras only is noticeably worse.
I recall parking in a parking lot and the camera systems showed that I was hitting a car while I was about a foot away from it. Lidar did not have any issues like that. And it was a perfectly sunny day.
If I still have to pay attention, what my Hyundai has is fine. I think that's the biggest issue with any FSD. Theres a sharp diminishing returns past a point. If I can't take a nap, I don't care. And I'll trust any of them the day there are laws on the books imposing a $7.5MM fine per casualty.
Those cars make the manufacturer money while hoisting the risk onto the public. People talk about stats compared to human drivers, it's not about stats, it's about accountability.
They aren't wrong. Camera systems do have a lot of issues. Calling someone stupid for pointing that out is absurd.
Cameras can mess up when they're dirty, when it's raining, when it's dark, when there's glare.
Image processing and recognition is also a hell of a lot slower and more computationally expensive than numbers from a LIDAR system.
Everybody is aware it's not going to be flawless out of the gate, or perhaps ever. That's not the point.
They're saying using cameras and only cameras is a bad idea and makes "Autopilot" inherently subpar in situations where cameras don't work so well.
Never go full fanboy... try actually understanding what people are telling you, why fail safes are good idea, why redundancy systems are implemented, etc.
Your anecdotal experience of "I drive in fog and rain and its been good" means nothing...
Except for when it doesn't and the car plows straight into the back of a lorry. Or runs over a teenager getting off a school bus. Etc.
No, as per Tesla's marketing, they are driver replacements
Are you serious?
Autopilot
Full Self Driving
"Our cars will travel from the east coast to west coast of the US without any human intervention by 2017"
"Your model 3 will be like an automated taxi earning money for you while you're not using it!"
Etc.
Tesla is always making out like their cars can drive themselves and it's just the law that's preventing cars from driving themselves about unaided.
A small print disclaimer doesn't undo years of marketing your cars as fully self driving
First of all, Mr. Fanboy, Musk has been touting it as a Full Self Driving program for a long time, they've somewhat stopped that recently after regulators started looking into it and you cite their website like they wouldn't change it lmao.
You're even commenting in a thread about an article on their deceptive practices with it.
Second, it's quite clear from my comment that I'm not interested in a "Driver Assist Program" I'm interested in a Fully Autonomous vehicle. "Driver Assist" is a nice feature, but not one I'm going to buy a whole new car for. When Tesla eventually (if ever) comes out with their Full Full Self Driving, however, I won't get it because they've lost my trust in it from all these shenanigans they're pulling now.
Third, there's absolutely a need in a life and death safety critical autonomous system to have another "sight" system. There's not even a cost excuse anymore and disabling the existing systems is asinine and potentially dangerous. Musk is just incapable of admitting when he's wrong and revising his plan like an adult.
Camera only systems get things wrong all the time, they have gaps and scenarios where they just don't work all that well. LiDAR does too, but in different situations, so their strength comes when melded together to complement each other.
Stop licking Elons boot and get a mind for yourself.
Just read it again except for the last sentence.
Yeah no way shitting on a company could be worth the price of a super bowl ad unless also peddling something yourself.
I dunno if I had a billion dollars I'd consider a screw you white castle ad just for shits and giggles (mostly shits)