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He's still against universal healthcare. I am tired of folks beating people for wanting candidates that are more electable than Biden running instead of him. Universal healthcare polls well on the right and left.
That one issue tells you everything you need to know about him, he sides with corporate lobbyists before material needs of the people.
Remember how much political capital Obama had to spend just to get the ACA passed, and even then just barely? I would love universal healthcare but this probably isn't the best time to push for it, at least not until fascism is defeated and Democrats have the numbers. The president isn't a genie who can just make things like this happen unilaterally. The public may support it but Republicans do not.
This is a bleak perspective and I refuse to believe that it isn't a good time. When will it ever. That view will never produce change.
Pushing for legislation that is a non-starter when we are barely able to pass a budget to keep the government running isn't a great strategy. Political capital needs to be spent where it is most effective, even if that means putting good legislation that isn't viable on the back burner from time to time.
I hope we get universal healthcare sooner rather than later, but our problems are a little more existential right now. They might elect the guy who wants to end democracy. Sometimes we must compromise and do what is viable rather than what is desired. The good should not be sacrificed in pursuit of the perfect.
People not getting healthcare right now, is just as existential. Why are we not deserving of passing that? The time to fight for things like that is now. I'm not saying we shouldn't vote against Trump, we are all saying it is best to have a healthy conversation about who would be a better candidate overall.
It has nothing to do with deserving, it has to do with viability.
You shrink the world of possible with your imperfect logic on probable.
That doesn't even make any sense.
Oh it makes a lot of sense. Constrain the possible set of candidates, ones that poll better than Biden, using corporate media, and you get a certain samsie set of candidates. These candidates generally have some different domestic policies and incredibly similar foreign policy perspectives: see children in cages, committing coups, aggressiveely policing the world through the military, circumventing UN goals (our military is exempt from climate talks) etc etc etc.
Biden is not our candidate, he is the corporate candidate of choice for the Democratic Party.
Yeah except you're wrong.
Republicans. Biden set up a task force to reunite the families.
I don't think this is Dem or Republican...we haven't done coups since the Arab Spring. Although it would be nice if we managed to push Iran into one, that is definitely on the table.
Republicans. Republicans start wars, Democrats end them.
Republicans.
Like seriously, it's that fucking meme over and over again.
Republicans do bad things
Idiots: "why would the Democrats do this??"
They are working in collaboration with corporate interests. Reducing it to one party is ignorant to the actual problem, but you've stated its's a meme so I guess you're right. We should just shut up and accept that we shouldn't demand a presidential primary for the DNC.
LOL didn't trump withdraw from the middle east and now Biden is bombing the shit out of them again and sending weapons to Israel?
democrats are fascists, so voting for them won't stop it.
What polls are you looking at that have universal health care polling well on both sides?
Anyone that asks the question.
Every poll I can find has the large majority of Republicans opposing single payer health care. Some are in favor of "universal health care" but that being a mix of public and private similar to what the afordable* care act with the individual mandate did.
Op said universal healthcare
And said the majority of people on the right support it. I can only find polls where like a 1/3 do.
Then you aren't looking.
Isn't hard to find, because it never is in contention. Republicans in power, Democrats in power, want the status quo because of the lobby of pharma, healthcare insurance, and corporate control over our bodies. Those in the public on the right and left support government paid healthcare. https://news.gallup.com/poll/468401/majority-say-gov-ensure-healthcare.aspx
Your source seems to disagree.
Oh OK, just a vast majority of Americans and a growing subset of republicans. So why aren't the democrats choosing a candidate that supports this again?
I was just wondering about your statement that majorities on both sides support it. Not really debating that it's a good idea.
Beat = Got Obama to convince many of them to drop out and endorse him in the same night
Yes, that was part of it
Thanks, I'm in my 50s. I remember. I also remember the electability politics used in that election on the democratic side by corporate media to force a right of center candidate. He also didn't beat any one in primaries in this election, which is a different election.
That's a lot of words for "my politics are not as popular as I wish they were".
You have a lot of ad hominem and poorly backed up arguments. Electability is a term that was used a ton by corporate media to give Biden an edge over candidates that polled better than him in hypothetical general elections with Trump. It is fact. You can look it up but you don't want to learn. Goodbye.