this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2023
53 points (83.5% liked)
World News
32326 readers
727 users here now
News from around the world!
Rules:
-
Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
-
No NSFW content
-
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Im scared for the countries getting caught in Chinas debt trap. With maintenance contracts being forced (for more than 90 years!), billions in outstanding loans in each country there is no way to climb out the hole. Everyone can see these extravaganza projects are not what Africa needs, but what China wants.
There is no China debt trap. That's just concern trolling western trolls invented
African countries are foregoing Western investment because of the number of strings attached. Chinese loans are pretty straightforward: here's some money, here's a (very) competitive interest rate, and here's how the infrastructure will be kept alive even if the country runs out of tax revenue to fund it. Critically, the project's operation isn't hindered by financial mismanagement and can keep delivering economic benefits to the region.
What strings?
IMF loans are cheaper. Every person with two braincells will realize corrupt officials will take the chinese loans with higher interest rates because of the bribes. A 90 year maintenance contract is nonsense and you cant defend it.
IMF and World Bank loans in years past have had strict rules regarding economic liberalization and cutting government spending.
[citation needed]
I like how you wont comment on the maintenance contracts.
So... No citation, right?
https://time.com/6266658/china-emerges-major-global-lender/#:~:text=China%20typically%20offers%20rescue%20loans,the%20IMF%2C%20the%20study%20said.
First result in Google. You cant even Google so im pretty sure you dont know what the hell you are talking about lol.
Rescue loans are not the type of loans being used to build these railway networks lol. It's pretty funny watching someone not understand the problem they're talking about.
Also, the US fed rate is 5% right now... That means loaning money to the safest and most stable economy in the world pays 5% today. Even in your (misguided) context, 5% is a fucking bargain.
Do you even know how IMF rescue loans work? Did you try Google buddy?
I wont even entertain your dumbass ramble about different countries because we arent talking about that.
Great, so you neither understand project funding nor interest rates. Good to know.
You cant even provide facts. Stop arguing in bad faith. Now go schizo post about US loans.
A rescue loan is not a loan used to build infrastructure. They're used to cover for existing debt, not to take on new debt.
The interest rate of loans is dependent on the international market. A loan with an interest rate of 5% is charity because China could get that exact same return from the US (which is much more stable, etc. etc.)
A 5% interest rate loan isn't predatory in this economic environment. It's a fucking donation. Ever heard of risk-adjusted returns?
[citation needed]
Here's some reading for you:
https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/imf-and-covid19/COVID-Lending-Tracker
https://www.adamsstreetpartners.com/insights/covid19-rescue-finance/#:~:text=Rescue%20Finance%20Overview,credit%20and%20pureplay%20distressed%20credit.
Rescue loans are used to service existing debt. That's literally the entire point.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/riskadjustedreturn.asp
These are BASIC concepts. Come on, man.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1508218
We were talking about this. I said IMF loans are cheaper than china loans. And you proved me correct so the next best thing was nitpicking my comments? Who cares if a loan directly or indirectly benefits a nation.
Go grab some tea, revisit your nonsense and write a proper reply. Im not going to do the same thing as last time in which you refused to read the article everyone except you was discussing.
African countries aren't taking IMF loans to fund this project lol. That's the misunderstanding I think you have. They would be taking World Bank loans.
My home country has one of those loans, and I have no idea whether it's beneficial or not since it's classified for 30 years as is the Russian nuclear power plant contracts or the money we spend on our oligarchs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGcf3GODKE
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=8fGcf3GODKE
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.