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[–] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm an American citizen, not a Russian. Therefore I care about American policy because it's the one I have a modicum of influence in.

Russia invaded Ukraine - they are the aggressor. However, it doesn't follow from that statement that we should send billions of dollars worth of killing machines to Ukraine.

Our actions have a) funneled over $150 billion dollars worth of $$$ from public hands (our taxes) into the hands of wealthy private corporations. Go and look up how the stock price for Lockheed Martin reacted to the invasion in 2022.

b) prolonged a war which will inevitably end with Russia taking territory. This has two consequences

  1. like Chomsky says we are "fighting to the last Ukrainian". We are absolutely fucking the demographics of a country for the next century if not more. The rebuilding costs will be over 3x what we've spent so far - and ill eat my shoe if the benevolent Western countries are going to foot the bill.

  2. this prolonging has caused global economic mayhem and it looks like it's going to cost the Dems the election - bringing us Trump and a further fall into fascism.

We are sacrificing the world for $$$. Capitalism is killing itself. It's as if we are trying to replicate the 20th century.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hahahaha

From your own arguments, we are actually sacrificing $$$ for the world, not the other way around. I'm happy for my tax dollars to pay to rein in the aggression of Russia and maintain the independence of Ukraine. Fuck Russia. Slava Ukraine. We should be sending them more.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

so easy to beat the war drums when the hundreds of thousands of young men dying aren't you, right?

at this point i'm convinced you're a bot because you have said nothing meaningful or original up to this point

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

so easy to beat the war drums when the hundreds of thousands of young men dying aren’t you, right?

Ask the citizens of Ukraine.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

again - we are not helping ukraine out of the goodness of our hearts

the only purpose is a) funnel as much money as possible into private hands and b) make Russia bleed for every inch of territory they are going to inevitably take

i don't care what ukrainians say. they're under invasion, of course they're going to want to fight the invaders. does that mean we need to pump money onto every single country that's been subjected to injustice?

artificially propping up Ukraine so they can get destroyed for a longer period of time is not good for Ukraine. the end result is going to be russia annexing eastern ukraine. regardless of how much $$$ we give our defense contractors. why should hundreds of thousands of additional young men die for nothing?

it's absurd we throw away so many lives for nothing. stop pretending like you give a shit about the people of ukraine. we are facilitating their destruction

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the end result is going to be russia annexing eastern ukraine. regardless of how much $$$ we give our defense contractors

In your wet tankie dreams lol

[–] kava@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

you don't understand the words you use. i realize now you're probably a teenager, not a bot.