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Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

“As soon as I mention feminism, you can feel the shift in the room; they’re shuffling in their seats.” Mike Nicholson holds workshops with teenage boys about the challenges of impending manhood. Standing up for the sisterhood, it seems, is the last thing on their minds.

When Nicholson says he is a feminist himself, “I can see them look at me, like, ‘I used to like you.’”

Once Nicholson, whose programme is called Progressive Masculinity, unpacks the fact that feminism means equal rights and opportunities for women, many of the boys with whom he works are won over.

“A lot of it is bred from misunderstanding and how the word is smeared,” he says.

But he is battling against what he calls a “dominance-based model” of masculinity. “These old-fashioned, regressive ideas are having a renaissance, through your masculinity influencers – your grifters, like Andrew Tate.”

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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (5 children)

A big problem - for ages now - is, that young men just don't have fathers. There's a male around, often, but these are rarely "fathers" that convey a whole picture of a male person. I grew up without one, and I can tell you, how confusing that can be. You attach yourself very easily to ideas other male persons have. Thinking for yourself is another skill that's kinda rare, not only today, it was at any time. It's hard to navigate these years.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I grew up without a dad and prefer it to having a shitty dad, which is what most people have.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Most people have shit dads? Really?

I have doubts, but I'm sorry you feel that way.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely. A good father is hard to come by.

A lot of them end up clipping the wings (and foreskins) of their children because their wings (and foreskins) were clipped, too.

These kids then go through life thinking that's how they should treat others if they love them. It creates a lot of confusion that could be assuaged by acknowledging most fathers are shit.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

While I'm against circumcision (it's genital mutilation, fight me) you are spouting some fucking weird nonsense.

[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago

Hm I don't understand, could you explain? I had a different experience so it's a bit difficult for me to get. My dad wasn't around until a bit later and by then I didn't respect him all that much. My mom raised me and told me to be nice with my dad and show him affection, otherwise I wouldn't have interacted with him as much. I think I've taken on characteristics from my mom as a result. What does it look like for someone to have a man or masculine kind of person around?

[–] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Generational trauma is a motherfucker and until enough people break the cycle we're stuck on this rollercoaster of periodic facism.

[–] jandar_fett@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This is the reason for a very brief period of time, in my late 20s, I almost fell for Jordan Peterson's schlock. In my opinion he's the more dangerous one. I am a pretty level headed person and was then, but because of my upbringing I was vulnerable. Tate can suck eggs in hell though.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

They also are looking for a place to belong. Incels need love too