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This is not needed when using the flatpak. And even if the native package falls back to xwayland for whatever reason, maybe that is their choice? There is no problem here.

But it works on X. I like using alternatives to the big players in any and all tech spaces. That's why I use Open Office.

Wtf haha, you know Openoffice is the original? Bought by Oracle, abandoned, everyone was pissed and renamed the project to Libreoffice. Openoffice is dead, it is abandonware and that it exists in repos and is still used today is insane.

Libreoffice is Openoffice, but with updates.

No we dont need an alternative always. We dont need 6 audio recorders, we need 1 good one that does everything right, is fast, secure and usable.

somehow look down on those who simply want to keep using X is a shitty thing to do.

What means look down? There are people not updating their systems, using outdated and insecure stuff but in the typical old people manner try to convince them this is the way. If people refuse to go with the actual development and accept that things will change, this is a huge burden on Developers that are already struggling to get an agreement among people that all agree things need to change.

Nobody is looking down, it is just annoying trying to hold on old crap that made Linux insecure and broken. Flatpak too, Flatpak has the good possibility to end 3rd party packaging for a lot of stuff. This means official packages, less packaging efford and more free time.

You use Nvidia? Stop! Your favorite app doesn't work on Wayland? Just use xwayland!" The sentiment is so emphatic, it fails to acknowledge that some entire workflows have been built up around these older applications where no security breaches were encountered

Nvidia sucks, and it is their job to fix Linux.

Legacy apps work normally through XWayland, most of the time. Multi window stuff is being worked on right now, in a well designed way instead of "apps do what they want" chaos like in x11.

This is free software. People want to use outdated stuff that nobody maintains. If they dont maintain it, they have to deal with what the developers want to do and what not. This is not a paid product, Devs dont owe anyone anything. "Using Linux" is not helping them.

Meanwhile nobody's arguing that despite X's flaws...everything pretty much has worked for a while now.

Things will break. And the question is, do you trust every app so much that it can do all the stuff it can on Xorg?

Nobody stopping anyone from staying with Xorg. It is simply not maintained anymore, and they should know they are using dying software that will break. For me XOrg didnt work better than Wayland, I think it had more errors in a lot of Laptop stuff like scaling, fonts, etc.

That's good dude. I genuinely look forward to the day when this is the norm.

If you use modern software packaging you may see that these things are already there. Flatpak has this, easily.

Its a state in between so Electron apps may not use Wayland yet, some apps may simply not work, some may use Xwayland for no reason. But its just a few switches and testing, or in most cases the user could not do anything and it would work somehow.

Yes I can afford an AMD GPU, and one day, when my Nvidia GPU craps out, I'll buy one, but why spend the money, time, and effort to replace a perfectly working GPU solely for Wayland support?

I simply want to stress how absurd it is. I know even Coreboot is mostly blobs, and Linux-libre doesnt run anywhere. I am on a Thinkpad... I had to not use a kernel hardening parameter because my BIOS sucks.

But really, using a proprietary driver is not like "yeah it is not very cool but works", this is literally the biggest weakness in your entire system. You can for sure sell that card to someone, and I am not telling you I dont hate E-waste and artificial obsolescence through bad Software.

I really love the effords of Coreboot, OpenWRT, Linux on Macs, Nuveau etc. But its a lot of work.

I hope Intel produces some cuda alternative soon, they care about FOSS afaik.

I'm sorry, you're adamant that Wayland is ready, but are willing to argue if developing apps for Linux is ready? This seems counterintuitive. Bur yeah, intuititons are often wrong, care to elucidate on why Wayland is somehow ready but app development might not be?

Nearly nobody will write an app for wayland, but in a Toolkit that supports Wayland. So IDEs need to improve for Linux to improve, to stop people from doing lazy stuff like Electron. If people use nieche toolkits like those Go Apps do, I just say goodbye and use an alternative (alternativeto.net).

What I'm saying is that, even now, it's not ready yet

• For very specific use cases
• for people that refuse any change while also not maintaining or donating enough to make that possible
• for tiny Desktops and Window managers that just piggybacked ontop of XOrg and would now need to use wlroots
• for products where the devs just didnt act until its now a bit late, like nvidia drivers, Linux Mint, etc.