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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry, no hate or incivility intended towards you as a person, but this idea is pandering centrist bullshit.

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Woah.

Centrist?

EDIT: Tried to make a joke and it seems to have missed the mark. Centrist was the least surprising thing in that comment to be shocked by, I thought, so only being shocked by that I thought would have come off as funny. Poe's Law prevails lol

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. On one hand, you have pretty much all of Conservatism which is empowered largely by religious ideology, and is propelling the West full-speed towards fascism. On the other hand, you have people's freedom to believe in an authoritarian skydaddy who gives them permission to seek dominion over other people without being challenged.

This take sits right in the middle: "Yes, extremism is largely a result of religious indoctrination, but don't hurt people's feelings by challenging their beliefs."

No, sorry. Challenging people's bullshit supernatural beliefs is very method in which we attack extremism. If those beliefs justify cruelty, there is no shame in telling a person that their beliefs are bullshit and their behavior is reprehensible.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There is also a modern definition of fascism as “Inequality through mythological and essentialized identity”. Basically you foster belief that because of some mythos you are special (gender, ethnicity, religion), and that allows you to deserve more or discriminate against the others. Religions that demand blind faith are contradict modern science more or less have to foster part of this thinking. Not that you need religion for this but it's close. And not all extremism is fascist ofc.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Yes, because it's basically the "hey guys, not all cops are bad" take but applied to religion.

Like yeah obviously don't be a hateful asshole and persecute religious people, obviously, but pretending there is no value in tearing down religious structures is apathetic centrist enabling bullshit. We should shine a light wherever ignorance dwells, not turn a blind eye to it.