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The “best” part about the “Hitler hypnotized us” narrative promoted by the krauts in their bloviating, soporific lectures is how it presents a completely counterfactual history devoid of the violent opposition to and clashes with fascists that characterized the Weimar Republic, all in order to pretend grandpappy didn’t deserve to be blown to a million pieces because everyone supported the Nazis and nobody knew right from wrong and morality wasn’t invented until 1945. Once upon a time I thought maybe there was some element of sincerity in German repentance culture, but no - it’s all self-serving, self-absorbed, self-flattering, self-interested, self- this and that; self-centered hagiographic self-praise that treats their unspeakable crimes as elite status cards to trot out.

These fucking krauts just can’t shut the fuck up about how they have some specialized knowledge of fascism because they’re krauts. Were you there? Were you around during the Nazi era? No? Then I fail to see how you know anything more or have any more expertise on the matter than Joe Pissmonger from Montana. Maybe if you picked up a fucking book sometime instead of insisting that being a kraut gives you special privilege to speak with no prior investigation.

But apparently Teutonic blood gives you divine insight into how fascism works. Looks like they haven’t moved past their Nazi genetic woo after all.

“I’m a German and I’m here to teach you how to avoid fascism by supporting the status quo” how about you deal with your own rapidly Nazifying shithole American province before lecturing others.

Be grateful the very idea of “Germany” wasn’t razed to the ground and scattered to the wind after your dear leader escorted himself off the premises.

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[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 61 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Be grateful the very idea of “Germany” wasn’t razed to the ground and scattered to the wind after your dear leader escorted himself out of the premises

As someone who has to live here, I'm not. I wish it was. There is nothing about being german that I find appealling and wouldn't cast off in moment given the chance. And no this isn't some self-flagellation, I genuinely cannot think of a reason for why I might want to continue to associate myself with this country if I had an alternative.

This article

https://jewishcurrents.org/bad-memory-2

is what finally put in words what I had always vibed and was the final nail in the coffin of what might have constituted a sense of attachment to my nationality.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago

My takeaway from Germany is that most people flying a German flag actually wants to put up a swastika but don't want the backlash.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago

Genocide scholar Dirk Moses named this approach the “German catechism” in a 2021 essay that sparked heated debate. “The catechism implies a redemptive story in which the sacrifice of Jews in the Holocaust by Nazis is the premise for the Federal Republic’s legitimacy,” wrote Moses. “That is why the Holocaust is more than an important historical event. It is a sacred trauma that cannot be contaminated by profane ones—meaning non-Jewish victims and other genocides—that would vitiate its sacrificial function.”

God that so perfectly explains how I feel

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

if I had an alternative

Time to bring back the HRE states that were like the size of a single town

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Oh god no, the only thing worse than someone identifying as "german" is identifying as "bavarian" or "hessian" or some other failstate, since that's actually socially acceptable to be proud of and they will channel all their need to feel superior into that identity instead. "german" at least comes with some historical baggage that keeps them from saying what they think.

There is a concept of an immigrant german, but an "immigrant bavarian"? A "black bavarian"?

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 41 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Alright, in that case, I guess it's time to divide Germany into procedurally generated discontiguous blob-borders with procedurally generated gibberish names and national symbols. You are now a proud citizen of the Democratic Republic of Nichtdeutschmeer-Rheinenkrankenvogelwindendorf-Blinkenlichtenstein. Congrats!

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

Whoops sorry that name was already taken by a former duchy, lasting from November 1731 to March 1732

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As long as it's a democratic republic I'm happy. Could not care less about what it's called, give me democratic republic please. I like breathing but its impossible to do so at my own expense. Everything here is built on blood. I feel icky thinking about the wealth at my uni that I benefit from because I know where its from. I can't afford my computer which I need, the clothes I wear, the food I eat and so I must rely on the slavelabor which produces it. I know what it looked like 100 years ago where the building I live in stands now. And I'm supposed to be grateful to the state which claims to provide all these things for me. Supposed to be grateful for the alms my wife gets for not being able to work.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Ain't that the truth!

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

Alright, in that case, I guess it's time to divide Germany into procedurally generated discontiguous blob-borders with procedurally generated gibberish names and national symbols.

That's just the state of lower saxony and it is not great

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

On the bright side it'll make it easier to establish the state of Israel OR Palestine on top of those failstates

"Yeah, I'm a Zionist,"

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to be confused with Israel XOR Palestine, Israel NOR Palestine, Israel AND Palestine, Israel NAND Palestine, or Israel XNOR Palestine.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We need Israel XOR Palestine and its complement in Bavaria and the Levant respectively

[–] huf@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

eh. just tow the whole thing out of the environment

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It shouldn't even exist. Retvrn to 200 different principalities and 400 town to town conflicts

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

You're too kind took-restraint