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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Isn't self interest without regard to anything else true neutral? Good would mean helping people, evil would mean hurting people. Lawful means following the laws, chaotic means rebelling against laws. True neutral has no regard for anyone else and no regard for laws.

[–] Omnificer@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lawful doesn't mean following the laws. A lawful person isn't obligated to follow the law in the Kingdom of Baby Eating.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 9 months ago

Lawful: "the belief that everything should follow an order, and that obeying rules is the natural way of life"

Lawful means you obey the rules. However, presumably you have your own set of ethics, as well as probably the belief in a god that also has their own rules. You have to reconcile these. Obviously if your god is about protecting innocent lives and you think the babies being eaten are innocent and deserve protection, you probably aren't going to obey all the laws in the KoBE.

[–] ULS@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't chaos neutral? Chaos is the base state? Chaos is the law of God/Universe? All other man made law is idealism and can be either good or evil?

Aren't laws an act against God/Universe? They are independent of honest reality? They are created as a mask/detergent/escape from reality/present/God/universe?

Laws are the opposite of faith in God/"God"?

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 11 points 9 months ago

Nah, there's a whole bunch of Lawful Neutral deities that uphold natural laws, and the Great Balance, like Jergal, Kelemvor, and Mystra. A lot of Good/Lawful Good deities as well, especially when it comes to the natural passage of life and death. Messing with that natural law gets you on the wrong side of like half of any given pantheon. There are even evil gods, like Bane, that are all about law.