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LIMITATIONS:

  • Flight -- Cannot fly faster than 48 kph/30 mph.
  • Speed -- Cannot move faster than the speed of sound or run on penetrable surfaces (e.g., water). Super speed is not restricted to running.
  • Telekinesis -- Cannot lift more than 2,270 kilograms/5,000 pounds. Cannot use power on your own body.
  • Invisibility -- Must be conscious to remain invisible. Your clothes become invisible when you do.
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[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Quantum physics forbid any of these perks. You'll be limited to macroscopic matter manipulation.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Id love to hear your reasoning for why quantum forbids these. Sure knowing the exact location of a electron an enacting a force upon it would be difficult but as long as you don't care about its velocity in that moment it isn't impossible. In fact you could get the probability to be quite high. Hell it even acts as a particle when you're looking at it.

Furthermore there are plenty of workarounds for causing these effects without direct manipulation of the electron or any quantum level physics for that matter. You just need to find a way to create the natural conditions required macroscopically which is typically possible.

With the exception of photon manipulation

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You grasp what's not there, and both position and velocity cannot be know at the same time. How do you affect something when you don't know where it is exactly?

If the hypothesis for telekinesis is that you apply force to an object, quantum mechanic is mostly out of reach as well, for the same reason. You need to know where it is.

It's also hard to admit that telekinesis allows you to move gazeous or even liquid objects. And usually you don't even grasp a part of a whole object, which solidify the hypothesis of the inability to grasp particuls themselves as discrete items.

Finally, you make the hypothesis that there is no limit to the number of objects you can affect at once.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You can actually know position with quite a high amount of certainty according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle if you don't know Jack shit about where it's going. If you could affect it instantaneously then its velocity would be pretty unimportant.

Whether or not it works physically based on real forces is up to the lore as is how it can be used and abused to manipulate gases and liquids. I've seen examples where than can but I think that putting a limiter where they can't is also totally fair. Also a limiter on how many objects can be affected at once is to be expected. These things can make the difference between near godlike status and pretty decent superhero

Ultimately it's really up to how the power functions as in what specifically allows for the telekinesis. Just calling it magic for example gives you a lot of wiggle room but making it a physical thing based on forces would certainly limit how you can affect things on a quantum level. There's also the question of what you can affect based on you senses. Do you need to see it or is visualization and knowledge enough?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Actually, knowing the exact position of an electron is imposible.

And not because of the uncertainty principle. It’s simpler than that.