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So a year and a half? That's not all that bad really. And that time it was a (admittedly bloody stupid) cock up involving the SSL certificate of their website not of the distro itself
Sure, maybe they're better now, but this long list is why the reputation stuck.
That and EndeavourOS exists
I don't have any issues with the complaints often mentioned about Manjaro.
Linux Mint, on the other hand, once got hacked and hosted malware on their website :(
But I'm sure you're as quick to tell people about that as you are to tell people about Manjaro.
Why would I tell people about something I've never heard of before? Go shove your snide attitude up your ass.
Also pretty disingenuous to compare a single incident of being hacked with a pattern of sloppiness and negligence.
Well, you've heard about it now so I fully expect you to take up the crusade like you have against manjaro, unless you're biased/tribalist.
No it's not, lol. Being infected with malware is worse than anything the Manjaro team has done. If you disagree, then you're just not worth taking seriously.
Let's be honest though, you're not worth taking seriously because you just do what you think will make you look good in front of your peers.
If you thinking getting hacked once is comparable to a multi-year pattern of being clearly negligent and sloppy, then there's not much hope for you.
One is significantly worse than the other. Getting hacked is significantly worse than anything the Manjaro team did. My point is that what happened to Linux Mint was worse than anything that happened to Manjaro, but people like you never get up in arms about it.
You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension if this is difficult for you to understand.
Getting hacked is something that can happen to anyone. Being negligent to the point of ddosing the AUR multiple times is isn't.
You can't seriously be this obtuse.
Lol. It's funny that you're actually sitting here defending neglecting security.
Thanks for cementing in my mind that you, and people like you, are not worth taking seriously.
Either you're a troll or just out of touch with reality.
Goodbye.
Oh wait, maybe you can actually be this obtuse.
Good luck out there. Must be difficult for someone like you.
Manjaro fanboys are truly a special breed.
Also I've just actually looked at EndeavourOS' website and it says very clearly front and centre that it's focused on the terminal, which is entirely not what OP was even asking for. It might be a fine distro, I don't know, I've never used it or checked how many years it is since they cocked up, but it doesn't present itself as a KDE focused distro which is what OP (and I) want!
I keep saying that's what turns me off from endeavor as a Manjaro user.
That, and it seems like all the people suggesting it don't really have their minds grounded in reality.
A lot of them legitimately believe Arch is a sufficient replacement for Manjaro, and that just tells me they aren't worth taking seriously.
There's a lot of 🧩 in the FOSS space, and I think we should acknowledge it for what it is instead of putting it on a pedestal.
That must be why it ships with a GUI installer, that can install any of the popular DEs and WMs...
Or maybe you just have a weird bee in your bonnet about something that's not even really a problem as evidenced from your own numbers
I simply showed why Manjaro has that reputation.
You also unwittingly showed why it doesn't deserve it
Why? Because after a series of negligent incidents spanning multiple years, a couple of which impacted the AUR for everyone they've gone a year and a bit without another major incident?
Again, EndeavourOS exists -- all Manjaro does for you is hold back packages making things unstable.
Debian and Slackware and Arch and Ubuntu also exist, they're also not relevant
Debian, Slackware, and Ubuntu are not Arch-based, so of course they're not relevant.
Obviously Arch is relevant, but it's more difficult to install without a GUI installer. Enter EndeavourOS.
If you're not using Manjaro to get "Arch with a graphical installer" then... what are you using it for?
I'm using it as a linux distro, which I then use to do things on my computer that I actually want to do like work and play games and browse the internet! I used the installer once and I seem to recall it was fine (though I'm not keen on the tepid green they chose as a colour scheme).
What do you use your computer for?
I'm obviously not asking what you do on a computer.
Did Manjaro magically install itself on your computer one day? Or did you choose it from a selection of dozens of other distributions that can do everything you described above?
I chose it because, as I said, Manjaro and SuSE Tumbleweed were the two KDE-focused rolling release distros of which I was aware (not KDE as an afterthought like Fedora or Kubuntu) , and SuSE didn't want to install that day. I'm honestly not sure why we're even still having this argument!
So then by now you should have a better understanding of why Manjaro has a bad reputation, and why EndeavourOS is a better recommendation.
Which was the point of this "argument" in the first place.
Not really, no. You've told me why you think Manjaro is bad, but all you've told me about Endeavour is that it's a) better than Manajro for unspecified reasons, and b) it;s Arch with a nicer installer yet somehow doesn't have any of the problems you accuse Manjaro of, despite you claiming (for again unspecified reasons) that is the prime reason for choosing Manjaro as well
I actually have mentioned all that, but let me summarize it for you:
Both are Arch-based, but have an easy to use graphical installer.
Manjaro holds back packages for 2 weeks from the Arch repos. That causes stability and security issues. The maintainers have also demonstrated a clear pattern of negligence that impacts the whole Arch ecosystem.
EndeavourOS does not hold back packages. They also haven't broken the AUR twice.
That's it. Should be pretty clear why EndeavourOS is the better recommendation.
Again you seem to think the only point of Manajro or Endeavour are to make it easier to install Arch. Plus you have offered no reason to use Endeavour over Arch
Please note I have not noticed stability or security issues to a greater degree than I have on any other distro that isn't ultra-stable (e.g. Debian Stable)
It is.
Yes I did -- it has a GUI installer. That's the only reason.
Good for you?
Right, I'm done. I can't be bothered to argue with this level of absolute mind-numbing stupidity any more. Please never say anything to anyone ever again.
Bahahaha.
Manjaro fanboys really are something else.
What else would they possibly be for if not installing Arch with a GUI?