Getting a bot to spam out 12 posts in a minute is not the way to make me want to engage.
this post was submitted on 20 Jan 2024
182 points (87.9% liked)
Mildly Infuriating
35514 readers
479 users here now
Home to all things "Mildly Infuriating" Not infuriating, not enraging. Mildly Infuriating. All posts should reflect that.
I want my day mildly ruined, not completely ruined. Please remember to refrain from reposting old content. If you post a post from reddit it is good practice to include a link and credit the OP. I'm not about stealing content!
It's just good to get something in this website for casual viewing whilst refreshing original content is added overtime.
Rules:
1. Be Respectful
Refrain from using harmful language pertaining to a protected characteristic: e.g. race, gender, sexuality, disability or religion.
Refrain from being argumentative when responding or commenting to posts/replies. Personal attacks are not welcome here.
...
2. No Illegal Content
Content that violates the law. Any post/comment found to be in breach of common law will be removed and given to the authorities if required.
That means: -No promoting violence/threats against any individuals
-No CSA content or Revenge Porn
-No sharing private/personal information (Doxxing)
...
3. No Spam
Posting the same post, no matter the intent is against the rules.
-If you have posted content, please refrain from re-posting said content within this community.
-Do not spam posts with intent to harass, annoy, bully, advertise, scam or harm this community.
-No posting Scams/Advertisements/Phishing Links/IP Grabbers
-No Bots, Bots will be banned from the community.
...
4. No Porn/Explicit
Content
-Do not post explicit content. Lemmy.World is not the instance for NSFW content.
-Do not post Gore or Shock Content.
...
5. No Enciting Harassment,
Brigading, Doxxing or Witch Hunts
-Do not Brigade other Communities
-No calls to action against other communities/users within Lemmy or outside of Lemmy.
-No Witch Hunts against users/communities.
-No content that harasses members within or outside of the community.
...
6. NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that is NSFW should be behind NSFW tags.
-Content that might be distressing should be kept behind NSFW tags.
...
7. Content should match the theme of this community.
-Content should be Mildly infuriating.
-At this time we permit content that is infuriating until an infuriating community is made available.
...
8. Reposting of Reddit content is permitted, try to credit the OC.
-Please consider crediting the OC when reposting content. A name of the user or a link to the original post is sufficient.
...
...
Also check out:
Partnered Communities:
Reach out to LillianVS for inclusion on the sidebar.
All communities included on the sidebar are to be made in compliance with the instance rules.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
But when anyone can run an instance, you can’t control it. Someone has an instance which allows them to make as many posts as they want, and then all that content is federated to connect servers
Really though? You can implement the same limits for federated posts, and just drop the ones exceeding the rate limit. Who knows, might be frustrating for normal users that genuinely exceed the rate limits, because their stuff won't be seen by everyone without any notice, but if they are sane it should be minimal.
The notice might still be able to be implemented though. idk how federation works exactly, but when a federated post is sent/retrieved, you can also exchange that it has been rejected. The local server of the user can then inform the user that their content has been rejected by other servers.
There are solutions for a lot of things, it just takes the time to think about & implement them, which is incredibly limited.
Even a "normal" user needs to chill out a bit when they start reliably hitting a (for example) 3-post-a-minute threshold.
Not to suggest it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved. But from my understanding of activitypub protocol, there isn’t a way to control content federation on a per message basis, solely on allow/block instances as a whole
It’s an interesting problem to be sure. It feels like it should be possible for servers to automagically detect spam on incoming federated feeds and decline to accept spam posts.
Maybe an _actual _ useful application of LLMs
There's already plenty of tools that do this automatically, sadly they're very often proprietary and paid-for services. You just have to have a way to appeal false positives, because there will always be some, and, depending on how aggressive it is, sometimes a lot.
i look forward to an automated mechanism, like with image checking...
that said, the existing tools arent all that terrible, even if its after the fact.
'purge content' does a pretty good job of dumping data from know bad actors. and then being able blocking users/instances.
if everything was rate limited to some degree, we would manually catch these earlier, and block before the rest of the content made its way over.... maybe.
Perhaps a case to be made for a federated minimum-config. If servers don't adhere to a minimum viable contract, say meeting requirements for rate-limiting, or not requiring 2fa, or other config-level things... They become defederated.
A way of enforcing adherence to an agreed upon minimum standard of behaviour, of sorts
It would be very easy to spoof those values in a handshake though, unless you're proposing that in the initial data exchange a remote server gets a dump of every post and computationally verifies compliance.
Federated trust is an unsolved problem in computer science because of how complex of a problem it is.
Spoofing that handshake would be a bad faith action, one that would not go unnoticed longer term. Instances with a bunch of bad faith actions will make the case for not federating with themselves.
It just has to go unnoticed long enough to spam for a few days, get defederated, delete itself, start over