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Not Sparks. (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by ekZepp@lemmy.world to c/starwarsmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] Marcumas@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let's stop the collective gaslighting of pretending the prequels were good just because the new trilogy was garbage.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let's stop the collective gaslighting of pretending the prequels were good just because the new trilogy was also garbage.

FTFY

[–] superfes@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Guys, calm down, it's been garbage the whole time, it's your attachment to the movie you had when you watched them at an impressionable age that makes them feel better to you.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I hear what you're saying, but as a fairly big literary and film snob, I'll argue that A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back were bubblegum pop approaching art like a well-realized pop music album that transcends being "just entertainment." I'll use some music analogies, since that's where I have the most background:

Francis Ford Coppola : Steven Spielberg : George Lucas :: Bob Dylan : Neil Young : Paul Simon.

You've got the auteurs that are out make artistic pieces that may or may not be appreciated in their time, you've got the prolific hit machines that churn out album after album (movie after movie) of insightful, well-made work, and then you've got the pop, "lowest common denominator" creators that can be game changers (esp. with the right collaborators and editing), but also have a lot of dreck in their back catalogs.

I would argue that despite the OT being pop-friendly action sci-fi, there was artistry present, especially in the special effects, the story telling, and the world-building. I mean, shit, the diegesis alone is pretty much a masterclass in how to build a living, breathing fiction universe, in a way that I'm not sure has ever been surpassed.

Bottom line: are they kids' movies? yes. Are they strong enough to stand on their own as significant artistic works in the same echelon as The Godfather? I would argue that Ep. 4-5 are, yes. Am I still answering my own rhetorical questions? Also yes.