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Still, you spit your venom, demonising immigrants
When really, you're an immigrant
'Cause all of us are immigrants
Or descended from immigrants
The irony is imminent, I'll shed the light on immigrants
America was colonised by Britain
Britain, it was colonised by Rome
Also, colonised by the Saxons
They were German, by the way
You know how people throw shade upon the Germans
'Cause of history's pain
And yet we make the same mistakes all again
Demonise a whole people, Jewish or Muslim the same and the same
Old situations play on repeat
The same old TV shows repeat
Yeah, we worship the bleak
Our opinions aren't our own and we follow like sheep
There's no left, there's no right
In the middle we sleep
~Ren, Money Game Pt.1
not to forget that muslims too were invaders and the Jews, thanks to Israel, are finally able to take their place in the monsters list.
Even what we call "indigenous people" were colonizers at one time. it's the idea of property that seems to be the problem. The earth belongs to nobody.
"Since the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nuclear weapons have been detonated over 2,000 times for testing and demonstration." 🤷
Zionism and Israel were part of the Nazi plan to tie Judaism to a nationality. The "stateless Jew" problem is really an allegiance to authority problem. It comes down to national identity over spiritual gnosis in every conflict where people resist power. Even Jesus was crucified for threatening the authority of the Roman empire, and in mere decades they claimed ownership over his followers and used the Gospels to justify nationalist conquest.
The Palestinians being genocided aren't colonizers but descendants of the Jews that didn't flee. Get out of here with that "everyone was a colonizer at some point" bs
that part of the comment was more about the term "indigenous" than the Palestinians or Jews.
not about muslims invading Palestine but about the empire that expanded from today's Afghanistan to today's Spain
Where did they come from, your "Jews that didn't flee"? What and who was there when they came to your "Palestine"?
Egypt. Just as other Jews. You might notice that Islam is quite a bit younger than Judaism (or indeed Christianity). Rough overview:
The tribes flee Egypt follow Moses etc. settle in what's currently Israel. The Babylonians came, saw, and ethnically cleansed Israel, throwing Jewry into diaspora. Persians then stomped the Babylonians and allowed Israelites to return to those areas, that was >500BC. It roughly coincides with Judaism becoming monotheistic. They build a second temple, Persians are thrown out by Greeks, Israelis half-way throw out the Greeks (limited autonomy), Romans kick out the Greek, some upstart Rabbi starts a new religion, gets crucified, about 600 years later a lad named Muhammed founds another religion which lots of people like, among those a lot of people living in Israel. Some also don't like it, and don't convert, just as before with that Jesus guy but Mohammed is a lot more popular. Thus you have Muslim, Jewish, and Christian Palestinians, roughly in that order. Then nearly 1500 years later diaspora Jews come and want to settle there and, because it coincides with the age of nationalism and fascism, a fuckton of mistakes are made -- to wit, the likes of the Stern Gang. The rest is recent history and more recent mistakes, to wit, the pudding prices (SCNR).
it was a rhetorical question but thanks for taking the time