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Japan determines copyright doesn't apply to LLM/ML training data (infosec.town)

submitted 10 months ago by ericjmorey@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/8121669

Taggart (@mttaggart) writes:

Japan determines copyright doesn't apply to LLM/ML training data.

On a global scale, Japan’s move adds a twist to the regulation debate. Current discussions have focused on a “rogue nation” scenario where a less developed country might disregard a global framework to gain an advantage. But with Japan, we see a different dynamic. The world’s third-largest economy is saying it won’t hinder AI research and development. Plus, it’s prepared to leverage this new technology to compete directly with the West.

I am going to live in the sea.

www.biia.com/japan-goes-all-in-copyright-doesnt-apply-to-ai-training/

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

To be at fault the user would have to know the AI creation they distributed commits copyright infringement. How can you tell? Is everyone doing months of research to be vaguely sure it's not like someone else's work?

Even if you had an AI trained on only public domain assets you could still end up putting in the words that generate something copyrighted.

Companies created a random copyright infringement tool for users to randomly infringe copyright.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The same way you can tell if you repainted a Banksy yourself. If you don't realize, and monetize, then you are liable for a copyright lawsuit regardless of the way you created the piece in question.

And if noone can detect similarities beyond influences, then it's not infringing anything.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You may recognize a Banksy but to another it's like I said you aught to know your work is like one from Coinsey: who?

This is exasperated when people can create creative works via AI, having even less knowledge about your peers who know how to DIY. A potentially life-ruining lawsuit is a bad system to find out you can't monetize something.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If only there was some way to find out prior to selling stuff as if you made it. If only. Darn it!

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. If I make something that doesn't mean I'm not infringing someone's works.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Point: regardless of the HOW it was made, the process of figuring if it infringes on something is the same. It's still not always easy and due to the shittyness of current IP laws, even long time professional artists sometimes make mistakes.

In the end it's just about money.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am familiar with SEGA owning a software patent on Crazy Taxi's "arrow above car points where to go" because my interests in creating games happened to lead me to an article stating such.

That seems related to HOW my works are made, to me. I know of no other way to find that out.

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like this one in Midtown Madness? Did MS actually have to pay SEGA to do the same thing? Both were originally released in 1999, it seems. I'm unsure which came first, but does it even matter if SEGA managed to get the patent first?

MS Midtown Madness gameplay screenshot

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Midtown Madness 1/2/3 all have the arrows from what I've seen. At least 3 has a part where you pick up people in a taxi.

I am unsure what would happen if Midtown Madness did it first but didn't patent it, game mechanic patents are not common (I hope...). Perhaps they knew they could win but didn't want to lose money fighting the Microsoft of that time? I can find no mention of MM regarding the Sega v. Fox lawsuit where Fox privately settled over Simpson's Road Rage in 2003.

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[–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Crazy! I had never thought of this sort of arrow as something that would have a patent. Isn't it pretty common in various other driving/racing games? Maybe not?! MM1 & MM2 definitely had the arrow — I've spent way too many hours fucking around in those as a kid! However, there's no taxi mode in any of them. Sadly, I've never tried MM3, since it was never released for PC, iirc only for Xbox, but the video you shared indeed confirms it had the arrow too, and even a taxi mode! How similar is it to that of Crazy Taxi? I've never played that. At least, SEGA probably doesn't own the patent for the taxi/delivery/ambulance driver game format too?!

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Looks basically the same, as you get closer to the destination in Crazy Taxi the arrow pluses in size and switches colour from green, to orange, to red.

Are you aware that mini-games during loading screens were patented (expired now)?