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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You really should get out of that cult. Don't even try to say it's "not" a cult.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

At risk of taking the bait, I'm curious of other's experiences - is it all religion that's a cult, or Christianity alone? If so, is there a divide between Catholic/Protestant?

[–] Hobbes@startrek.website 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only difference between a cult and a religion is size.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So all ~~(mainstream)~~ religion is a cult apart from size.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To me at least, the primary difference is time and size.

If the founder/god/messiah/prophet/messenger is still alive or died recently, folks call it a cult.

If the founder/god/messiah/prophet/messenger died a long time ago, folks call it a religion.

From my point of view it’s all the same, it’s just easier to add to the myth after a long time has passed. That and religions are widely accepted throughout wider culture as basic reality, and cults are considered fringe.

If those cults grow to represent wider culture, they’ll stop being called cults and instead be called religions.

This doesn’t take legal status into account or anything. It’s just an observation.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any group that bends your mind into believing falsehoods and expects your loyalty is a Cult. No matter the religion, political party, etc.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Again, I'm curious. Personally, I have not found my loyalty as a Christian to be forced, it's of my own will. How can I ever prove (to myself or others) that it's of my own free will, and not being brainwashed? This applies to anything: religion, politics, sports, school affiliation, nationality.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So you have free will according to your belief system? You sure about that?

Then I guess God isn't all-knowing right? Because if he knew what you were going to do before you did it, then it wouldn't be "free will," would it?

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are brain washed. Just not willing to admit it.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't answer the question though - how can anyone know or decide for others that they are not brainwashed? I trust you've come to your own conclusion, as I've come to my own. It's a poor excuse to call anything contrary to what I believe as being brainwashed unilaterally.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No point in debating with you about your being brain washed. You are and you're the only person that can come to self realize in order to break away from the insanity of religion.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

you're the only person that can come to self realize

But you just made that determination for me? I'm confused, am I supposed to make my own decisions, or listen to others?

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Religious people are brainwashed. That is a fact. No matter what I write back to you, you'll never agree. You need to wake up to reality on your own.

[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry we can't find at least some common ground on this - clearly we both feel strongly about our positions, and I respect that. Thanks for taking the time to discuss anyway.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

I'm sorry you're brainwashed. It's not your fault. Good luck escaping the false fantasy of religion.