You do your service and hand it off to the next guy, you get skills and training, the country gets huge number of people who know the basics in a real situation.

There are also plenty of tasks in the military that does not require weapons or killing, in a disaster the services are used to support the civilian society, clearing roads, fighting fires, building temporary bridges, distributing water/food/shelter, providing emergency healthcare, setting up communications.

BTW, you use a very narrow definition of slavery.

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are also plenty of tasks in the military that does not require weapons or killing

I'm sure someone in the military is tasked with cooking food for the whole army but in order to teach someone to prepare a meal you don't put them through mandatory military service which main goal is to bake soldiers capable of shooting on command.

If you believe in forcing everyone with jail as a penalty to learn how to kill people and to obey superior orders you have a narrow definition of freedom.

Freedom is perpetuated through liberty not through constraints

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mention freedom a lot in comparison to military service, but in no society are you completely free, you have laws to follow and you have taxes to pay, so the freedom argument falls a bit flat when you use it so often.

I see military service similar to a tax bill, since if no one wants to do it, the need doesn't go away, it is still needed, and mandatory military service is s good way to solve it.

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have taxes to pay because someone say so and is forcing everyone with force to pay. If you don't pay taxes you get labelled as a criminal and the guards come pick you and escort you to jail, even if the tax you don't want to pay is unjust. If no one wanted to join the military you would have no wars to begin with, russia and israel which are two countries waging war and currently invading another country both have mandatory military service which you get punish if you don't attend.

People can fight for freedom without being forced through a course that aims at taking away their individuality and self-will to turn them into checkers at rulers commands.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you think that individual freedom fighters are as effective as an army with a command structure, then you are just plain wrong, removing individuallity during fighting is a feature not a bug, obviously individual soldier's talents are an asset and should be used by the military as far as practical, but in the end a soldier is a standardized tool that fit a specific criteria, else they would not be as effective.

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If your goal is freedom an army of people who's individuallity has been removed won't get you an inch close to it. If you look around yourself no actual army brings up freedom but war around the globe.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mandatory military service does not strip the individuallity off of a person, sure while in the military you loose a bit of individuallity, but once you leave the military you get it back.

[–] citizen@normalcity.life 1 points 10 months ago

You are contradicting yourself