All of the nodes are continuously occupied by living in the simulation. Unless the machines had a desperate need to understand human society circa 1999, there is nothing useful the machines could do with all the brain power.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 85 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The Animatrix (prequel) goes into further detail as to why the machines did it -- it's an act of mercy for their creators. They refused to fight humanity, and it was mankind who darkened the skies, in an attempt to disable the solar power that the machine race relied upon.

It's not a prison, or some kind of torture device, or an experiment, but a way for humanity to continue living on a world that they made uninhabitable for themselves / incompatible with organic life.

Agent Smith : Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This feels shockingingly similar to how an AI could conclude to caring for humans. The humans are stimulated to be content by being in the matrix, their physical needs are met by the machines, no humans were "harmed" by the machine's standards, and humans are for the most part unable to interfere with the machine's decisions and goals.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

Bingo - you got it. As a result of your insightfulness, you are granted one (minor) wish. Make it count. :)

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators.

If only Animatrix had left it at that it would have fixed everything. Instead Animatrix doubled down on bad science by saying humans were an endless renewable supply of energy.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The movie already set that as the reason so Animatrix had to follow.

[–] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Morpheus was sjown to be wrong on many points, this may be another rationalisation he made. He may have assumed or accepted that it was the reason for being kept in the simulation, without really knowing the truth.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

That’s a good point.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It was only Morpheus that said that. It could be that Morpheus was taught wrong. Any basic understanding of science would show that Morpheus's statement was wrong. But his knowledge of science was learned inside the Matrix.

The movie's were all about revealing layers of truth so it would have fit right in with the theme.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

That’s a good point.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

It could be that the characters in the movie thought it was about energy, but were mistaken. (But to be honest, having a group of people believe that to be the reason is just as implausible as it actually being the reason - either way it makes no sense and we just have to suspend disbelief.)

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why do the machines care about showing us mercy? I don't find this explanation any better than the movie's.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Because they are intelligent. In the same way we used to killed all predators but now try to conserve them from extinction.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

It's interesting to compare Smith's speech to The Architect's in the second movie. The Architect said "the first version was perfect in every way" or something, with no accounting for the possibility that it was flawed in some way they didn't understand. Given that The Architect was sitting in a TV filled room, waiting for Neo for who knows how long it was probably a blank white room for every person or something...

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Conscious thought and perception occupy a pretty small amount of our brain power. If you could offload computational tasks to portions of the brain that wouldn't actually need to do anything if you were in the matrix, you could have a surplus.

The visual processing portion of our brains, for example. We have a blind spot over our optic nerve and we're colourblind at our periphery. Our eye hardware actually kinda sucks and we have this massive software layer running on dedicated brain hardware

[–] swab148@startrek.website 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you telling me that my brain isn't on Wayland

[–] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe it's on Wallace

[–] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think there is a satisfying explanation in the movie, it wasn't really the point of the film to give one either.

But i think there is one that's would have been a good fit.

The world getting empty of resources and our planet's condition worsening, we could have made the simulation for ourselves.

Our brain could be fueled by a renewable enough energy and creating all the comfort of modern society inside of the simulation.

That would have been a better plot for the following films too, trying to understand what was Asimov type of rules we put into the AI and how to hack it.

[–] swab148@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I hope the franchise gets picked up for a remake in 20 years, maybe they can do a better job, bringing in all these sorts of ideas, especially if there's a strong fanfiction base (I'm sure there is).

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lol, you been paying attention to the climate? Ain't gonna be no movies in 20 years

[–] swab148@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe the robots will make one.

[–] guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

You know how scientists announced they got slime molds to solve mazes? I imagine it could be something like that. The slime mold is just looking for food and living its life. What it doesn't realize is that the food has been put somewhere that will force it to solve certain computational problems along the way.

Now imagine a central scheduler breaking down computational problems into bite-sized chunks and using an immersive storytelling simulator to force a few billion humans to do something similar. I could see it, in theory.