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Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.

In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.

Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny. Biden wanted out of Afghanistan since the Obama years. Trump withdrew after Biden won the election. He did it mostly to hurt Biden, not because he's less genocidal. Take a look at his antagonizing of Iran. He withdrew from the nuclear deal which hurt their citizens and killed a high ranking general to piss them off. Iran is probably going to get nukes now, increasing the chance of nuclear devastation in the middle east. Trump emboldened nationalism across the world and increased the likelihood of World War. That's all his trade war with China accomplished. Empowering reactionary hardliners in the second place world superpower. Less genocidal my ass.

I can't read your unwillingness to vote for Biden as anything more than justifying apathy. You use understandable frustration to justify unreasonable actions. Anarchists and Marxists endorsed Biden in 2020. You think Noam Chomsky thought Biden would be better than he's been? Biden was only to the left of actual billionaires in the primary, yet he's been more left wing than Obama or Clinton in office. Him saying trickle down doesn't work and Republicans are "kinda fascist" is more than I expected. I did not want him in 2020, but because the left failed to vote in the primary, we're stuck with him. Even if Warren wasn't a snake, Bernie still would have lost.

Flipping the table is not a real option right now, and Trump winning will not make it more likely, but less likely. It was a dumb argument the last two elections, and it's even dumber now. The DSA strategy of ground up leftism has been far more effective than the Green party focus on mostly just the presidency. Support your local DSA if you want leftism in America, keep the President as left wing as possible, and find a strategy of flipping the table that doesn't empower fascists.

Deluding yourself into thinking liberals are fascists to excuse apathy is more pathetic than people who say, "I don't care about politics." I used to hate those people, but I realize that ignorant leftists are worse. You have serious dunning–kruger political analysis and solutions. It's not that I don't see the bullshit you see, it's that I see more than you.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist that has been fully bribed by AIPAC for 50 years now. He and Obama had a blast doing war crimes in the middle easg

An interesting comment from a few days ago adressing accusations of Trump being worse: https://lemmy.world/comment/6138170

Biden saying he was going to withdraw is like Obama saying he was going to close Guantanamo Bay. Empty words.

Trump did the action that's all that matters. Biden and Obama and all your beloved democrats which can do no wrong sure as hell didn't do it. You are only deluding yourself here.

So no Biden is not less evil than Trump. In fact Biden is likely the larger of two evils. But voting for Trump is still voting for Genocide as Trump is just as apathic but just a lot dumber.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This is just pure delusion

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Biden and Obama and all your beloved democrats which can do no wrong sure as hell didn't do it.

My goodness, you just can't help yourself, can you? I could only vote for Democrats because think they can do no wrong. You can't comprehend any other explanation. I try to understand your view and have empathy.

I understand how unfair the system is and how powerless you feel to change it. If the game is rigged, why play the game? Why try the work within the confines of liberal democracy when the deck is stacked against you? It feels like playing the game is doing what the powerful people want from you. Not playing seems to be the only way to win.

You don't understand that playing isn't optional. The game can change rules, but it must be played. Voting is power, just like money or resources, except everyone has equal power and are only able to persuade others for more. Power is fundamentally required for all life to continue existing. If a lifeform cannot get the power it needs, it dies. If voting is taken away, you still need to get power elsewhere. That just leaves you with capitalism and violence, an area where the right has even more of an advantage. You're a larper if you think violence is a good idea for the left.

Apathy from the left is exactly what capitalists want, as they only need to persuade the right and center to win. Fascists want apathy even more, as they thrive in an environment of coercion. Not playing is an option you're free to choose, but so is walking off a cliff.