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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's a great hate-speech phrase to antagonize, and to call for something primal in people. Where did he lift it? Comparing your enemies to a disease is as old as public speeches. And is really a good showcase how the public there degraded, as they find it relateable. It's really something tribal.

Imagine me saying all trump voters are genetic failures or just untermesch. That they are a biological waste that needs to be dealt with. That they are traitors to their kind for the fact they still breath.

You'd hurry up to downvote and call me names, rightfully, because there's some set culture of not going that far into dark ages, to have a basic level of empathy. There are institutions, the people who'd show you that you can't call for erasing ginger women for they are totally witches. It calls for something animal, an existiential threat, a fight or flight response, and it's a very worrying thing.

It taps exactly in a place in your psyche, where you throw a spear at anything coming close. And it doesn't ends there. People nodding to that now would react more extreme in other more casual situations.

It's a pandemic of violence. This dehumanization doesn't end, it grows onto other groups one dislikes, and just one argument then can end in a gunfight. And it would take so much time to heal.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To add:

We in Russia suffer the same fait. Although my group of people mostly denounce that ridiculous war and cringe at those celebrating it, I notice, how casual hate and insecurity about your surroundings slip everywhere. Anecdotal case: I remember like 3 cases of bus drivers driving away from people running to them at the bus stop in years, and now I have at least one each month when this late person literally knocks at the door when it drives out, I had one today. One another school shooting case making news. One another case of someone pulling a gun onto random persons.

The societal psyche is deeply harmed by any public hate-speech. It affects everyone, and it affects me when I start to cross the road and a SUV running on red light nearly avoids me, once again, or that I'm more insecure of persons randomly asking me for a lighter, or middle-eastern men just walking around although I'm the one to get banned for despising racism locally. Even though I don't subscribe to it, I take the fruits of that. These deep fears that we should've learned to avoid, especially of all kinds of 'other ones', they thrive in that climate. Even if not by agitation itself, but by it's subproducts, like if you hear about a MAGA masshooter, you'd then be more likely to have a gun yourself, and to react agressively to a likely intruder. It escalates, it makes everyone hostile, and brings so much deaths one may want to vomit.

There should be measures in place to de-secalate it on the state level. I doubt my own state would want that, since it's a fuel for conscription and they don't care about what can happen after them ("let there be fire after we quit" is a national meme), but would yours do that? I still have a ghostly hope to immigrate, so I'm kinda involved in not exchanging one burning bag of shit for another. And having the most mil and gun-spending country being overtaken by ghouls like trump makes it unsafe everywhere. This opportunist can start a WW3 if it'd save him a comfy place im the office. With the great force, comes the dead uncle Ben, and it shouldn't be like that.

And what my ranting ass wanted to say: americans have a vision of themselves in regular mass shootings, have an example of russia as a promise, and have a tool to make it slightly better by putting the ballot in the box. Why won't they? You can see 'murican sense of self-respect on Reddit. Why won't they selfrespect themselves enough to eradicate hate speech in the prime time to be sure their kids won't be shot by a random broken kid. Having a post-perenatal abortion by the AR at eleven years feels more untimely than one done at the seventh week, that's what I say.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine me saying all trump voters are genetic failures or just untermesch.

Let's be real though, if you've ever seen a rally up close that's an EASY sell.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

I've seen records of one actor (acted in a clone of Scrubs) and an ex-priest screaming GOIDA to the cheers of the crowd on a Red Square, the state's capital for fuck's sake, had it heard repeated IRL for all the same cheers from persons I share bus each day. Goida is a call for blood from centuries ago, from the time Ivan the Forth, nicknamed Terrible, put wild his just-created secret services like hounds. They had a cut dog head for their sign, that is reflected in other fiction works up to 500 years after. And what they did is a retort of ones that comply, and a random, state-sanctioned genocide of others. I don't think it can be exactly compared to what US had under trump, to all these inhumane policies he refered to, but oh fuck the level of insanity in people you talk to, you have business with for years came to 11\10. So many people's voices, souls got lost to a banging drum of insane hatred. Even those you have trusted no to.