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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Okay, first:

People got 'thrown off' Medicaid because it was temporarily expanded under the pandemic, and lots of the people that qualified under the expansion no longer qualify now that it's expired. Yeah, I'm in favor of Medicaid for all--or Medicare, I can't keep them straight--but this is disingenuous.

Second, 45M people in 1.8T student loan debt is a problem, sure, but who keeps blocking forgiving that debt? If you think that not voting for the guy that did everything in his power to cancel that debt is going to fix that problem, well, you probably shouldn't have gone to higher ed. in the first place, because it didn't help your critical thinking skills.

Is the economy we have now--under a Democratic president, with a Democratic Senate and a very slim Republican majority in the House--better or worse than it would be under a Republican (Trump) president, Republican Senate, and Republican House? Do you really think that all of the things listed in this short, misleading blurb would be fixed if Biden loses the election? Do you think that your protest vote for a Green or Dem Soc candidate is going to improve anything, given that we don't have ranked-choice voting in national elections?

[–] spader312@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I really hate hearing people who say they're not going to vote for Biden because for whatever reason without realizing that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump or any other Republican who will work against everything that will actually help people. Which is better?

Not only are you letting the other side win but the only way to get representation is to vote, if you don't vote why would any candidate want to do anything for you? You're no value for them.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

About your last paragraph, who said this was a partisan issue? Someone who agrees with your last paragraph could also agree with the sentiment that those who tell us the "economy is booming" are often ignoring issues that affect everyday Americans.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's a partisan issue specifically because of who is spreading which messages.

Democrats are saying that the economy is generally moving in the correct directions, e.g., we lost a couple million people in the pandemic which lead to a labor shortage, opportunistic businesses jacked up prices leading to double digit inflation, but overall the unemployment caused by the pandemic is reduced, inflation is on the way down, and we're doing better than we would have been doing otherwise.

Republicans are saying that the economy is trash, that everyone is hurting, everything is expensive and no one can afford shit. ...While conveniently ignoring that they're the ones that have been pushing all the policies that have led to this, while Dems have been doing everything they could to prevent a recession or depression.

If you blindly accept that the economy is bad without looking at why, then you're biting the baited hook of the Republican propaganda machine.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

Democrat here. I'll gladly say that the economy is trash and everyone (I know) is hurting.

[–] willis936@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Democrat here. People pushing the positive economy messaging are just trying to get away with robbery. Don't accept being a patsy because you're scared of politics. I'll still vote blue and still tell people when they're full of shit.

[–] newDayRocks@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

45 million with 1.8 trillion debt isn't even a "problem". The meme is just throwing out big number vocabulary trying to be scary.

That number averages out to 40k a person. 40k after 4 years of college with long term low interest to pay it is not done huge problem. The problem are for people who got scammed by for profit colleges and those with ridiculous levels of debt, and this administration is addressing those.

[–] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In NL the govt switched from a scholarship-like student loan program to a regular loan program (which has been reverted since the start of this college year), and students racked up 60k debts over 4-5 years of study.

And that's in a country where the government also sets the student fees (2k a year now, somewhat following indexed inflation), which means about 8-10k is for study. The rest is additional cost and due to stories of low interest (0% for years, but now it's 2.4%) causing 18-22 year olds to be maxing out this loan to enjoy the student life and paying it off using the bank interest.

Then the 2021-23 inflation skyrocketed and that loan started going up faster than it could be paid off, as paying off is on an income-based monthly amount. Meanwhile, this loan does get subtract 1.5x from your potential mortgage sum.

Edit: all prices in EUR of course