I have been having this debate with multiple western leftist whom I vigorously despise, and it was about people who commit crimes against humanity, and it is very simple really in my point of view people who did unhuman acts (light upholding apartheid, genocide, cleansing, starting an international War) are by definition unhuman. Really simple actually they have took the humanity away from people and used that as an excuse and they sacrifice their own humanity in The Pursuit of that goal therefore morally at least these people should be counted as dangerous animals or the malaria or whatever unhuman living creature who is causing us mass suffering and death. On the other hand you have the Western liberal who think that they are leftist simply because they don't care if gay people fack, and these people directly benefit from the unhuman acts that their leaders commit, so they turn and blind eye to it or at most say that they are bad people who should be jailed, jail for Bush or Clinton or Kissinger or Putin or whoever does not solve the problem, you talk a lot about prison reform and how it is cruel what you have not seen the other angle which is that these people physically cannot pay back for their crimes within a million lifetimes, I don't really care about your personal moralities and bullshit that you say to be the most moral in the room restorative justice cannot occur because these people have committed such crimes that they have left the boundary of restoring what they have done, to the point of being unhuman. When people understand that there is no way that would have been taken from them would be restored they want Justice in any way shape or facking form, including leaving all morality aside and just severely punishing those who have committed these unhuman acts.
You can moralize but for me as a person who lives in Iraq when I hear what people would want to do to George Bush or jog Biden or Barack Obama or whom ever I hear the most descriptive forms of torture, and the reason for that is that these people have actually came to to moral clarity, because the forms of brutal killings and torture that they would want to commit are the same as those who have been committed by these unhumans, when restorative justice fails, when there is no way shape or form your oppressors can be punished that would actually restore what they have been breaking you break their stuff in the same way, but in such subject, where these people have violated your right not to be tortured and not to be killed and not to be humiliated the retaliation must not be lesser than the pain that they have put upon every single person that they have violated their rights of. Do not f****** come to me with your Lefty morals or your Western human standard saying that war criminals and unhuman actors should be not tortured or should it be not brutally murdered, These people are not human.
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