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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden is not the candidate I wanted, but he’s the candidate we’ve got, and in our broken political system that’s as good as it’s going to get.

Ever.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been the most progressive President in probably 40 years and the most effective since probably Clinton. He wouldn't be my first choice, but even if your silly little one-word retort is true that's a big improvement on the past.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been the most progressive President in probably 40 years

Oh yeah. Building Trump's wall for him and funding genocide are super progressive.

Obama passed the ACA. That's more progressive than everything Biden has passed put together. And no, that's nothing to crow about either.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Obama also murdered people with drones and caved to Republicans when he had the power to pursue a more progressive agenda. He bailed out businesses instead of people. He did nothing about torturing prisoners of war. Don't give me this Obama progressive bullshit. ACA was a republican plan. Obama was not by any stretch of the imagination a progressive. He was an okay President and a great orator, but his policies were conservative democrat.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don’t give me this Obama progressive bullshit. ACA was a republican plan.

And yet it was more progressive than anything Biden has passed. Don't give me this Biden progressive bullshit.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well you're just wrong. Obama was not as progressive as Biden and believe me I was shocked by both. The proof is in the policies.

Oh and being an ally of Israel is universal for both parties. Whoever was in office would've supported them. Obama certainly had some extremely disappointing foreign policy as well.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Obama was not as progressive as Biden and believe me I was shocked by both.

The ACA remains more progressive than anything Biden has done. If I was wrong, you would have offered counterexamples by now.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ACA wasn't progressive though! I'm working so I'm short on time to pull receipts and probably quick-tempered as well so sorry for being a bit of an asshole. But ACA wasn't a progressive policy. We are still paying insurers instead of providers and ACA isn't particularly affordable but I'll grant it is there for folks who have no other option.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

ACA wasn’t progressive though!

And yet Biden hasn't passed anything to the left of it.