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[–] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

"Many artists who oppose gAI want to maintain an artist/creative class"

Ah yes one of the classes Marx wrote about, proletariat, bourgeoisie, artist.

My brother in christ PICK UP A FUCKING PENCIL

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes one of the classes Marx wrote about, proletariat, bourgeoisie, artist.

DPRK is a removedd worker's state - just look at the symbology: juche-WPK. The ARTISTS (depicted by the brush tool from MS Paint) are above all!

Edit: the auto-filter removed a Trotskyist term. That's a sectarianism!

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Edit: the auto-filter removed a Trotskyist term. That's a sectarianism!

pika-pickaxe

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Trotsky has sent in a cringe word. We shall neither print it, nor reply.

[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

I wanted to become an artist but the goons of the creative class came to my house and confiscated all my drawing supplies.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

The artists have been hoarding the products of their labor for far too long, finally we can democratize their work

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Self-employed artisans were petty bourgeois.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Petty bourgeois extract labor value from others, small-scale artisans are generally not petty bourgeois unless they have assistants or something.

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

not necessarily, the petite bourgeoisie also include those who own and work their own means of production, which would include self-employed artisans.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Not so, if you own and work your own means of production but don't profit from others' labor value, you're just a yeoman by another name

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Highly doubt most of the people drawing furry porn for rich guys these days are living a luxury lifestyle of eating caviar and having sex with models in Manhattan or shaking hands with MBS over oil deals

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

don't need to be wealthy, it's about your relationship to the means of production. Petite bourgeoisie just own and work their own means of production. Small business owners can't afford that lavish shit either

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

Not the point, please read Marx.

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is a disingenous take because the vast majority of artists in the world are likely proletarian. Consider anime artists, do you really think people who are employed by a specific studio and have to do hours a day of back-breaking labor are really... petite bourgoisie? They do not employ themselves, and do not have access to their own means of production.

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My real point is that if you don't even know what classes Marx described, you shouldn't try doing Marxist class analysis until you read some theory. No investigation no right to speak and all that.

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

But I have clearly… Read the theory. Nothing I have said was incorrect

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Do they not realize that the biggest gatekeepers of creativity is Adobe and any apps like them? Quite literally in their perfect world, only the rich get the luxury of having art as a career, and your boss will overwork you well into the weekend so you will never have the time to do art if the cost doesn't stop you.

[–] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Irony being adobe directly implementing gen ai into their software to undercut their very own userbase.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Man, and I was only joking when I thought that Adobe saw art as a luxury for the rich. Now they're directly implementing porky-friendly features into their growing enshittified apps.