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Very weird turn of events given that Toyota has a history of being anti-EVs.
Their announcements about products that are way better than anything that actually exists with no solid plans to actually bring it to market is actually just another flavor of anti-EV FUD.
It's not the right time to buy an EV because our imaginary product is SO much better than any of those boring products, you should wait for it and keep buying our gas vehicles for now.
It’s depressing how cynical that is.
It's depressing because its probably true and even if Toyota did create such a miracle tech, it would be insanely expensive to produce and thus purchase for the consumer. Not to mention with such an insane charge rate it would most likely never reach it due to the charge stations not supporting it and power infrastructure being unable to cope with such a load.
I was referring to Toyota’s strategy being cynical, not the comment.
Oh, Toyota's strategy isnt Cynical, its a deliberate choice by the higher ups to champion hybrid, hydrogen and refuse to join in the EV party- its not some cynical idea that ev's aren't here to stay or wont take off.
They were pro hydrogen but I think they realized that ship has sailed and EVs are here to stay for now
I think they were pro-hydrogen, and now they're using hydrogen as an excuse not to do battery EVs.
People who have heard of hydrogen cars but haven't looked at how inefficient and expensive they are still think that they're the future.
I swear every other week I see a new video claiming Hydrogen cars are the future, despite our current tech just being inadequate to give them enough range, and how unsafe they are- ontop of how 95% of the world has next to 0 infrastructure to fuel said hydrogen fuel cars.
That's not to mention the costly & environmentally unfriendly production of hydrogen in the first place which at current production rates could never even if multiplied by multiple degrees- fully support a hydrogen majority of cars on the road.
Hydrogen Cars, the uncleanest, most unpractical and expensive "clean energy!" alternative fuel...
Most of hydrogen's problems are solvable - we can pack a car with hydrogen tanks, make hydrogen with electrolysis, build infrastructure, etc.
The big killer is price. Those hydrogen filling stations aren't $1000 each like home chargers or $50,000 each like DC fast chargers, they're something like 2 million dollars each. And you need them everywhere, there's no home filling to carry most of your usage.
The hydrogen you put in them? You have to pay for not just the electricity that makes it into your car's electric motor, but all the energy that was wasted along the way:
Nobody's looking to spend all that money on filling stations, and nobody's interested in paying 2-3x as much to fill their car.
Yes, money is usually the answer.
So incorrect. Look at any major truck company (Volvo, Hyundai, Cummins, etc) and where the investments are. Grey hydrogen stations are getting funding all over, here's one in my extremely conservative and shit province https://www.src.sk.ca/news/sask-going-blue-hydrogen-hub-will-promote-further-investment-province. If you ignore all the investments and growth in the sector then sure, it's never gonna happen.
Toyota has historically been pretty conservative on tech changes. They were one of the last to move away from carburetors for example
Hmm, they were one of the first to mass produce hybrids, and the one of the first to try hydrogen. They must just have executives that really don't like the idea of filling up slowly.