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A former Bay Area tech CEO was fired earlier this year after allegedly enslaving, torturing, and sexually abusing his assistant. He claims the pair had a consensual relationship that people would "celebrate" if it were fictitious.

Former Tradeshift CEO Christian Lanng denied the allegations levied against him and the billion-dollar company he co-founded that were made by a former employee in court Thursday.

"The shocking and vile claims in the lawsuit are categorically false, and I reject allegations that I subjected someone to any form of abuse during my tenure as CEO or at any other time of my life,” Lanng told The Messenger.

In the complaint, an unidentified woman alleged that Lanng sent her into “a dark abyss of unwanted sexual horror," according to The Mercury News.

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 58 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Hiring her was a lapse of judgment. The rest of it sounds like a good time. BDSM relationships involving power exchange can be healthy but there is a huge risk that a messy breakup can go this way.

If my wife and I ever got divorced, I know she'd have the power to rake me over the coals with receipts. So I can give the guy the benefit of doubt, because based on what is alleged and my own personal experience it sounds reasonable that it might've been completely consensual at the time.

However as we grow as people, we can recontextualize our experiences and decide that hey this was really unhealthy and he should've known it was unhealthy and that she wasn't capable of consenting, and that could even be right. Some people give enthusiastic consent and it turns out to be some PTSD trauma response. Given the number of people in kink with trauma in their past, the lines can get really blurry.

I'm not saying she wasn't abused for sure, just that from a kink perspective his side of the story seems as plausible as hers. Regardless, I hope justice, whatever that may be, somehow prevails. But this case is going to hinge on whoever is more credible on the witness stand I think, and less on indisputable truths.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (2 children)

While the dom/sub fantasy is a common one, we need to remember that it has to stay a fantasy.

This was the real world, with a real world power dynamic in the workplace. That made consent dubious. And the number one rule of this sort of relationship is that CONSENT MUST BE CERTAIN.

Anyone with half a fucking clue would would not have this kind of relationship with an employee.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The employment came after the relationship and continued after it. I think that's a key difference that isn't conveyed in the headline. Yeah ethically he shouldn't have hired someone he was in that kind of relationship in, but at the time I'm sure it felt like a reasonable thing to do. Infatuation is like that.

Also saying dom/sub has to stay a fantasy is a different suggestion altogether and one I disagree with although perhaps only by degrees. It depends a lot on how real you allow for a fantasy to be. Ultimately there should be a safe word that allows a sub to withdraw consent at any time and so consent is always certain even if it's being vehemently denied by both people. In that manufactured ambiguity is where the excitement lies for many people.

[–] legios@aussie.zone 18 points 11 months ago

The thing most people don't realise is in a dom/sub relationship it's actually the sub who has all the power. They can withdraw consent etc. any time they want Having someone you're in a relationship with directly reporting to you is problematic and most companies would explicitly not permit it.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

At the time hiring her seemed a reasonable thing to do. And therein lies the test of a person's character. And what we're seeing is the consequence of a failure of his character.

And yes, if you seek excitement in the ambiguity, you can absolutely choose to do that. Some people like risk. Some people like skydiving. No one should be surprised that occasionally the parachute doesn't open. We can be sad that the situation ended like this, but not surprised.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Yeah, this sounds like someone who's only BDSM experience was the 50 Shades series, and therefore didn't understand how it works at all.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is entirely based on a quote of him saying they were dating. Did she coberate that? Did anyone else? Is there a known history of their relationship or just this guy saying it exists?

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

She denied it.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the kind of nuanced response I was struggling to draft in my mind. I hope no one was abused. If she was, I hope she is vindicated.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

I think your version is succinct and to the point while mine rambled a bit. I think there is value in both.