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CNN poll: Large majority of US adults and half of Republicans agree with Biden’s goal to slash climate pollution (www.cnn.com)
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[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Too bad the Republicans will be lockstep in opposing it because a democratic president is saying it. Despite the fact that long term it's the most fiscally responsible thing to do. Aside from the economic impact from saving lives, property, etc, there is also an insane economic impact from the solar industry. Big money and big paychecks for those doing the installs and that money is more than likely going to go right back into the economy.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not just "because a Democratic president is saying it" but also because fossil fuels magnates are the ones who set up the patronage machine that Republican politicians depend on. It's unfortunately not just a partisanship thing, which makes it much harder to get their positions to change.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh it's definitely mostly a get the dems thing and has been since the teaparty crowd. The smarter oil companies like shell are moving into solar and wind because they see the writing on the wall. They most definitely fought it for years but now they aren't fighting it as much. Even where I am Duke which is the power company here and still burned a lot of coal till recently is backing solar and and even partnering with businesses and apartment complexes to install ev chargers.

I don't know how old you are but you might remember during Obama the maggots became the party of no. Maggat:I'm hungry, Dem:Let's get lunch, Maggat:NO. They became and continue to be obstinate toddlers.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure where you or they got that info but I guarantee if you look deeper into what shell has invested in, they may not be investing directly in solar and wind but they are most definitely diversifying and investing in other companies that are doing alternative energy.

Here is a screenshot from Googles llm giving info on what shell has invested in. In 2022 they invested 3.5b in renewables. I searched for shells investment in renewable energy and got that.

For the record, I'm not defending shell and they should have been investing in and pushing us towards renewables decades ago. The point is that the Republicans for the most part aren't really against renewables, they are simply against anything a Democrat proposes even when it was originally their idea.

Also keep in mind that CNN is now an arm of the maggats. It hasn't been a reputable news organization for years. It started going downhill before John Stewart had his infamous appearance on crossfire and was recently bought by a pro Trump jackass.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are. Just in tiny quantities compared with their investment in fossil fuel extraction:

However, Global Witness, the activist group that has lodged the new complaint with the SEC, argues that just 1.5% of Shell’s capital expenditure has been used to develop genuine renewables, such as wind and solar, with much of the rest of the division’s resources devoted to gas, which is a fossil fuel.

“What Shell has said about the energy transition is not reflected in what they are doing,” said Zorka Milin, senior adviser at Global Witness. “This business unit is fundamentally mislabeled, it has very little in the way of renewables and investors could be lulled into thinking Shell is doing far more on renewables than it is.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

Damn, you really want to pick at nits and argue.

Go back and read my original comment. I said they weren't fighting it as much, not they were all in and had gone full hippy with it.

I'm not surprised that there is a good chance they are over stating things but I didn't make any claims about what or how much they had invested. I responded to your need to argue.

On that note, I don't have time for someone who has to keep looking for things to argue about and pick apart statements while taking them out of context or completely misunderstanding them assuming you actually read them all just so they can be right and have the last word.

You have a nice day now. Maybe you can find someone else to argue with.