this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
530 points (87.6% liked)

Asklemmy

43885 readers
876 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

An opinion so strongly shared by a vast majority is worth being sceptic about.

[โ€“] Pyrozo007@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I believe a vast majority of people would strongly share the opinion that pigs don't have wings

[โ€“] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tapes a chicken wing to a pig.

What now athetits

[โ€“] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

proves that the egg came before the chicken and indeed all birds

Checkmate, creationists!

[โ€“] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

if chickens can have fingers and buffalo can have wings...

[โ€“] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's worthy to be sceptic about indeed, because its a fact rather than an opinion

[โ€“] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

That's just question-begging

[โ€“] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is how you get flat earthers.

[โ€“] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

That's an example of a minority ignoring or trying to talk their way around scientific facts. That's something completely different.

[โ€“] SmartmanApps@programming.dev -1 points 8 months ago

No, the one saying "you're all wrong" was the first person to say the world is round. Even a minority of one can be correct about something against all popular opinion.

[โ€“] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The correctness of an idea is totally independent of how many people believe it, and to believe otherwise is to be some dipshit who says "Idiocracy is a documentary!!!" and invoke Hanlon's Razor instead of having actual good, materialist analysis of the world

[โ€“] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think they are independent. Most people believe that the sky is blue when the sun is high and objects fall to the ground if they aren't propelled or lighter than air. It is not an accident that they believe correct things, it is from experience and education. Most people have a huge amount of correct information that is held in common in their society along with the myths and superstitions and misconceptions, while that latter category [false beliefs held in common] are usually but not always things that fall outside of their experience.

[โ€“] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

addendum: they believe things which are almost correct or apparently correct. Heavier objects fall faster is not correct, but it is apparently correct because very light objects fall slower than heavy objects, and this appears to be constant unless you actually check and realize there's a threshold. There's no world outside of eurasia and africa is functionally true if you lack the nautical equipment to reach the americas, but factually wrong. You can't get things too wrong without problems, but there's a decent amount of leeway.

[โ€“] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

It's a heuristic thing. Denser objects are often* heavier, but it's the density and not the weight that may make them fall faster (not accounting for how aerodynamic a given object is). It can produce incorrect judgements, especially if they attempt to articulate their intuitive knowledge as some precise-yet-abstract law, but in practical circumstances their intuitive knowledge produces the expected result the vast majority of the time, so pragmatically it's reasonable to call it correct.

*Certainly their weight is more noticeable, as is the lack of weight of less-dense objects, so perhaps this is the real source of the skew, a type of selection bias.

[โ€“] jonsnothere@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can of course always be skeptic, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. I would argue most opinions shared by nearly everyone are probably valid.

[โ€“] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Depends where they got the opinion. If it's something that most people have experienced then they probably have a pretty grounded opinion but if its something they're only aware of because of news then there's reason for skepticism. Ask people on the street their opinions on something related to the economy and its a mess.

[โ€“] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Opinions can easily be based on ignorance, copycat behavior, group pressure, is a product of that time, etc. Even experience can be a wrong basis for an opinion