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Fuck around (with nature) and find out. Even now big oil is thriving, SUVs are the best selling type of cars and greenwashing is the maximum of "commitment" we see from the corporations responsible for global warming, after they knew what they were doing for decades and kept the truth from us. Politicians from all parties do nothing serious to change it and only give us empty promises. At the same time people are hating on the youth when they risk their lives and health to protest for a change by gluing themselves to the road. Humanity had it coming for a long time and we absolutely deserve all of it. Worst part is imo that the people most responsible for the mess will also be the people least affected because they used the money they made by fucking us, to buy private islands, and build underground bunkers.
We can't do anything about it, we are literally under the rule of a system that is predicated on exacerbating the problem in perpetuity. And peopl are so thoroughly gaslighted that they are cognitively incapable of picturing an alternative. As if that wasn't enough, it promotes and rewards those who champion the destruction, and severely punishes and demonizes those who don't.
The only way out of this is coordinated violent global uprising. I'm in, if you are too let's get planning.
I agree with you but I am also a coward who hates violence, sorry.
Some violence will be inevitable; but the real power will be when masses of us pull out of the system. Quit your job or work less. Don't make money, dont spend money, buy only what you need second hand or local. Grow your own food, make your own clothes. Don't pay taxes or pay for local permits if you can get away with it. You can help starve the beast so that others might slay it.
Thank you for the input. Compared to murdering the ruling class, your approach seems much more attractive to me personally!
History suggests it’s easier to catalyse an uprising than handle the reaction and govern well thereafter - need to think through the whole story.
It's like we're stuck in a bad movie, right? Big corporations, with their greenwashing antics, are like villains pretending to be heroes. They've known about the climate crisis for ages but kept pushing their meats, coal, SUVs and oil. Now, they're acting all concerned, but it's just for show. And the politicians? They're all talk, no action. It's always about the next election, never about the next generation. Meanwhile, the young ones are out there, literally sticking themselves to roads, begging for a future. But do they get listened to? No, they just get scorned. The worst part, as you said, is the injustice of it all. The big shots who caused this mess? They'll be chilling on their private islands or in their fancy bunkers while the rest of us deal with the consequences. It's a messed-up world where money talks louder than the planet's screams.
At least in a film there's normally a single person to target and the day is magically saved.
Young people gluing themselves to roads aren't making life difficult for oil CEOs or politicians. They're fucking with people trying to get to their jobs, people trying to get to the hospital, trying to get to their aunt's funeral. And where I live almost no one has access to any non-car alternatives. That's why those people are scorned.
You've got a point. In places where there's no real alternative to driving, these protests can disrupt the lives of everyday people more than the bigwigs they're aimed at. It's like trying to throw a rock at a drone and hitting your neighbor's window instead. The CEOs and politicians probably don't even hear about it, while someone misses a crucial job interview or can't say goodbye to their aunt. It's a tough situation. The protesters want to be heard, but the people who really need to listen aren't the ones getting inconvenienced. It's a classic case of good intentions but maybe not the best execution, especially in areas where public transport is as rare as an honest politician.
Except afaik, they do glue protests in big cities where there are plenty of metros, buses, bicycles ...
I think we are missing the point. We are all complacent. Like it's you wanted to strike but people keep piercing the lines and going in to work.
Well in that case you are worse of financially (ik I can literally mean lose everything for some).
But when this plannet burns havung spent a few more years scrapping by sounds useless.