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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I got downvoted real bad when I pointed this out to someone who said "making guns illegal just takes them away from people who need to defend themselves."

The defense excuse of gun ownership is a myth. It causes way more harm than good.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That aside: the easier it is for good guys to get a gun, the easier it is for bad guys too.

And: where does that idea of a good guy stopping a bad guy come from even? If the bad guy is the better shoot, he still wins the fight. If he catches the good guy by surprise (which is likely given that bad acts are an action and not a reaction), he also has the upper hand.

So more guns solves exactly nothing, it only increases risks everywhere.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It comes from the NRA. It was a slogan. Propaganda.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Could have guessed as much. Bullshit propaganda that could be debunked with an ounce of critical thinking. But people who defend that shit are probably too dumb anyway.

Ironically there is likely a large overlap between these people and people who deny covid, climate change etc with "tHiNk CrItIcAlLy".

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

That makes sense because of mishandling, mismanagement, and.. Wanting to die sometimes...

Most flight incidents happen on departure and arrival so of course most gun mishaps happen at home.

Guess what I'm saying is it all makes sense one way or the other.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sadly. Gun nuts don't want to hear any of this. The U.S. gun culture is truly obscene.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not a gun nut. But these studies don't actually test any hypothesis about defensive gun use.

It is easily probable that it is simply the case that people obtain firearms for defense against an existing threat or are the threat themselves( i.e are susceptible to far greater violent events than the norm). In order to test that guns actually are ineffective in self-defense you need to compare it to actual incidents of violence towards the gun user.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you know why we don't have such studies in the United States? The firearms lobby has ensured that it is prohibited from being researched.

[–] jasory@programming.dev -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, because the CDC is the only source of academic research in the US. Activist talking points are unfortunately rarely accurate. The Dickey Amendment reduced research into gun violence, but under no circumstances did it eliminate; it's also been changed since it was first passed.

The real reason why gun violence research is often poor quality is the same as why most social research is poor quality: high variability, unaccounted variables, differences in interpretation of questionnaire's, unreliability of self-reporting, and the fact that most studies are conducted by parties interested in a specific result.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the insightful response, those are legitimate points. I was confused by your first sentence and presume that was meant sarcastically?