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Seems like a good thing to me. Let people decide for themselves, it's not the government's job to tell them what they can and can't put in their body.
Agree with this. All the pro weed and pro other drug people need to realize they are making the opposite argument to support banning smoking. All substances carry some intrinsic risk and the externalities must be managed, but its up to consenting adults to make their own choices about what they will consume.
It literally is the government's job. That's the whole point of the FDA.
I think they're making a statement about the proper role of goverment, not what it currently does.
And in NZ it's the Ministry of Health.
FDA's job is to tell corporations what they can and can't put in your body. You're still welcome to seek out those poisons and consume them. Cigarettes should be no different.
What is the government's job in your opinion?
To maintain infrastructure.
Including healthcare infrastructure?
Yes, paid for by the exorbitant taxes on cigarettes.
So if banning cigarettes would support healthcare infrastructure, based on what you just told me that would be the government's responsibility.
I think you missed something. Banning cigarettes takes money away from healthcare, it doesn't put more into it.
Smokers wind up paying almost 10x what they cost the system over their lives. Banning that income will only make things worse.
Cigarettes cause health problems, therefore banning them lowers the strain on a healthcare system.
If the issue is truly just financial there are other ways to get that money.
Except they also have to step on your rights, and body autonomy in order to do so.
Let me aak you this as well... Do you support the war on drugs?
You're changing the topic. The government has the right to ban cigarettes because they have the right to support healthcare infrastructure.
Whether or not they should ban them is a whole separate topic.
Whether or not they have the right, was never the argument here, it's always been about whether they should or not.
Dodging my question because it backs you into a corner really doesn't help your side either.
Your exact words. You said nothing about if a government "should" do anything, you said it's not their job. You lost the argument just move on.
I will move on, but only because you've started arguing on bad faith. Do better.
LOL if you actually think not allowing you to move the goal posts is "bad faith" then you truly are a dumbass.
Actually, that would perfectly explain why this is such a difficult concept for you.