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It's always the patriarchal conquerors like the Ancient Romans or the Ancient Greeks that they idolize and never the people like, say, the Picts or the Celts or the Gaul that rebelled against the brutal Roman empire. It's never the Scottish or the Irish heroes who fought back against the British Empire that followed in Rome's footsteps. None of them probably even know who Boudica is.

Ironically, a lot of the stuff you could call "white culture" was burnt at the stake, banned, brutalized, and literally demonized by the Empires that chuds think are so civilized. A lot of pagan culture was lost to time, or warped by Roman 'scholars' for propaganda purposes. If they truly cared about their 'culture', then "Muh Christian trad wife' would be seen as killing the identity of pagan women, rather than an aspiration.

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[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Boudica is about as solid evidence of matriarchy as Isabella, Lizzy or Margaret. And late medieval/early modern Europe was very much not a matriarchy (believe it or not). Never mind that the Romans were pagan themselves.

Women were often among the earliest to adopt Christianity in pagan Europe.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Women were often among the earliest to adopt Christianity in pagan Europe.

big L

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I highly recommend reading up on the Anabaptist movement in England. It is much later, but women in Christianity in Europe have an amazing history of progress and revolution. The real history is less romantic, but often gives a far great appreciation. Plus its not an assumed or piecemail history, we have some recorded speeches and writings of women during the social upheaval of the English Civil War.

I highly recommend "The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic" by Rediker and Linebaugh. They go into some really neat figures. The chapter "A Blackymore Maide Named Francis" about a free black woman in England and the one bit of info we have of her and all that we can point to just from that for the amount of social change and regression in a short time, the birth of new movements and their attempts to reckon with their more radical immediate past by those who lived it, etc.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or based. Christianity in terms of a follower of Jesus and not the dogmatic religiosity that ruling classes use to gain power, is extremely radical. They were straight up forming communes and parallel systems of power.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

also basic stuff that we don't even think of today like "it is wrong to consider your wife to be a literal slave" The cultural shift in European culture as a result of Christianity is hard to underestimate. Romans thought it was in the natural order for a patriarch displeased with his wife to leave their infant son on the street (where in theory they could be adopted but in reality would be eaten by stray dogs). If you grew up in Roman society the thing you would find outraging in that situation would be if the mother complained

I know someone who is teaching themselves Latin in retirement and according to them Latin talks about death the way English talks about rain or the inuits snow

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Although a pater familias could do that, it was still weird to do.

Also, they do not speak of death and dying more than any other ancient culture. The problem is we mostly have stories of political figures or generals, mythical or religious texts, and funerary inscriptions. These things tend to discuss death pretty often. People also just died a lot, and the death of animals wasn't something you could forget about when they were butchered in front of you.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Chuds heads exploding in shock at the concept of the Galli Priestesses.