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This one hurt. The fight for the EU, the climate, diversity and the democracy just became harder.
Well, that's not set in stone yet. If he doesn't manage to form a coalition (and it's very much in the realm of possibilities that he won't be able to), the GreenLeft-Labour Party is next in line. In which case a GL-PvdA/VVD/NSC/D66 coalition (parties #2-#5) is not unlikely. Which I'm guessing would have to make some concessions when it comes to migration, but would probably be OK-ish news for the EU, the climate, and democracy and rule of law.
Sure, but it's the amount of support he got that scares me. There's a lot of support for the right wing in the Netherlands. That means that either a lot of people support those views or are willing to put up with these xenophobic zealots just to make a statement.
Yes, the Netherlands is really two different countries when you separate the big cities from the countryside.
That is true for almost every country (with the main exceptions not having one or the other at all).
Well apparently people don't want the kind of diversity they got...
I can’t change the way I look and I only got one passport, so tough luck.
If you only have the one passport you are already a citizen of your country right? So no need to worry as long as you actually respect the local culture.
This is a pretty callous reply.
Why is my need not to worry conditional?
Why is my culture not part “the local culture”? I’ve lived here longer than many so called natives.
You are saying I will never fully belong here, regardless of what I do. And that’s exactly the problem.
I have exactly the same rights as any other citizen, and I expect my right to exist however I well damn please within the confines of the law to be respected.
I am telling you that you belong, as long as you are willing to respect the local culture, traditions and rules.
If you disregard those you will also be disregarded, not because you might be of a different color but simply because you don't respect others.
Why wouldn't it be? It's the same for me, if I won't behave conforming the local culture&traditions I will also be excluded from that same society. This is not something weird that suddenly came up, this is common sense.
That’s where you are dead wrong. I belong. My traditions are the local traditions. No if. No conditions.
If you don’t like it, try and do something about it.
That’s not what you said back there. But I welcome you trying to walk back your drivel.
Well if your traditions are the local traditions there is no issue here right? And there will always be conditions, that's not for you to decide but the society you life in.
If you don't like to conform have fun living in the woods without any of societies benefits.
Society is a two-way street, for everyone.
Listen man, it’s really simple. In a thread about rising anti-immigrant politicians you explicitly tied my right to exist in my own country to me conforming to nativist norms. That is a majorly fucked up thing to say.
There are two cases here. If you don’t mean it, you are free to apologize. If you do mean it, own it.
This “everyone lives in a society” stuff is just weak mealy mouthed equivocation.
You know what is fucked up? Believing yourself too good to confirm to "nativist norms". What the hell is even that? What do you even mean with your "own country" if you are not willing to conform to their way of life?
Being a citizen somewhere does not just mean living there. It means following the local customs and adhering to them.
I mean, "every one lives in a society" is pretty clear cut. I seriously don't get what's hard about respecting the culture you want to live in.
More equivocation.
A racist and a coward. Not exactly a surprise.
Pfft, that is not something I need to accept from a smooth brain that isn't even willing to entertain the idea of being wrong.
Your cowardice exists in how you think everyone needs to automatically accept you for who you are while stomping all over the norms others find important.
Yeah thats the point.