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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Going to bat for "cracker" is really a bad fight for the left to pick.

No.

Tailism and concern trolling about not offending whitey is weak liberal shit.

Are you even a leftist or do you just like le weed?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Re-defining racism to mean structural racism and structural racism only is commandism, not tailism:

Commandism is wrong in any type of work, because in overstepping the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of voluntary mass action it reflects the disease of impetuosity. Our comrades must not assume that everything they themselves understand is understood by the masses. Whether the masses understand it and are ready to take action can be discovered only by going into their midst and making investigations.

If you "make investigations," you'll find that most people define racism as something like "prejudice or hate based on skin color." They would say, for instance, that a black American manager who gives their white employees all the shit assignments is racist in a similar way to a white manager who gives black employees shit assignments, even though the U.S. is overwhelmingly racist against black people.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're being Reddit-tier pedantic to defend a "what about whitey getting offended" Reddit-tier position.

Are you even a leftist, or do you just like le weed?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Quoting Mao = reddit tier, got it

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does the word cracker personally offend you?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, and you'll notice that's not at all what I'm talking about.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The vast majority of English speakers use "racism" to mean "prejudice or hate based on race," which covers a lot more ground than structural racism. There isn't a great reason to try and redefine racism to exclusively mean structural racism, either, because individual prejudice based on skin color is bad, too.

When people see prejudice based on skin color, the response shouldn't be "whoa whoa whoa, maybe this is OK, depending on who has power here." The response should be that prejudice based on skin color is bad in any situation, but is especially harmful where the group exercising that prejudice has structural power to hurt the target group. Some types of prejudice being worse than others does not mean there is an excusable form of prejudice. It definitely doesn't mean that the less harmful forms aren't prejudice at all.

You think its bad yet you aren't offended by it? How does that make sense? If its bad then you really should find it offensive.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hes saying that most people arent going to be super hip on whiteness, white skin and all the difference between terminology and if you call someone whos not already inoculated in that kind of thinking theyre going to just assume youre a weird blue haired college kid racist.

It's a losing battle and especially rings a weird way when its very white people engaging in this kind of rhetoric

Like who are you calling a cracker your parent sent you to a montessori school and you didnt pay for college

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a losing battle and especially rings a weird way when its very white people engaging in this kind of rhetoric

You are right about one thing, very white people are indeed engaging in this argument. It would not be an argument otherwise.

Like who are you calling a cracker your parent sent you to a montessori school and you didnt pay for college

You should take your own advise and stop engaging in this argument. Especially after posting this. cringe

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It never bothers me when someone goes for the cracker/mayo stuff but I literally don't know anyone who's brain is not terminally online that says stuff like this.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

No removed ever called me Cracker! - redditor on why they are dodging the 2028 Sino-American war draft

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Quoting Mao = reddit tier, got it

Cherrypicking Mao so you can keep being mad at people saying cracker is Reddit tier. anti-cracker-aktion farquaad-point

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Re-defining racism to mean structural racism and structural racism

It always meant structural racism. Just because colloquially people confused it with "some of my best friends are X" liberal colorblindness and "I'm totally not personally prejudiced/bigoted therefore it doesn't matter that I benefit from structural racism" was a matter of reactionary miseducation.