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#lemmy/#kbin has a problem that #mastodon hasn't even attempted to solve; groups and what happens when they get popular.

#Communities, #groups, #magazines, whatever they are called are implemented as #Actors in #ActivityPub. They are basically just *very* popular users who boost a *lot*.

You can't just distribute them across instances the way normal actors do. Whichever server hosts @technology@lemmy.ml or @technology@beehaw.org is going to get HOSED on the regular.

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[–] sukan@feddit.jp 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Edo78@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. The "single source of truth" is the instance hosting the community. If it goes down the community itself goes down with the ship. The only way to prevent it is to have a IT infrastructure that can provide redundancy

[–] sukan@feddit.jp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Edo78@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

having a redundant system is feasible (I'm just a dev, not an architect so don't take my words for granted) but it have to be designed and putted together ... and prices are gonna skyrocket

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy / the fediverse isn't designed this way, but it could be. There are certainly systems that share diskspace and are multimaster and keep stuff as long as someone is interested in it(i.e. accessing the data). I really start to think added to the lemmy / fediverse servers should be something like what freenet used to do in terms of hosting content.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If it's just a temporary outage, whatever the mirror has received prior to the outage will be shown to users on that other instance but only local interactions for that instance will update it, when it comes back up, things like votes and comments will be synchronized again across all of the instances.

For permanent outages, the community will just need to be started again on a new instance.

[–] TheAmorphous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they could pick up where the now defunct community left off, right? Like, the cached copy from another server could be imported on a new server elsewhere?

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

That functionality doesn't currently exist, but migration of communities is something that's being actively talked about for development.

[–] sukan@feddit.jp 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reading this and trying to visualize the big picture, I think this is where kbin's magazine is going to win out in the end

[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Out of curiosity, how is kbin's magazine system designed to avoid this problem?

[–] sukan@feddit.jp 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] sukan@feddit.jp 3 points 1 year ago

From what I understand... wait I understand nothing

[–] nii236@lemmy.jtmn.dev 2 points 1 year ago