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Elon Musk vows ‘thermonuclear lawsuit’ as advertisers flee X over antisemitism
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2023
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Ok, it sounds like you're trying real hard to split hairs.
Not just the company itself and Wikipedia say so, but legally, he is a founder. That was the outcome of the lawsuit.
It's true that the first 2 founders legally registered the corporate entity known as "Tesla Motors". Then for the next year, they didn't do jack shit involving anything automotive... they were just going around looking for investors.
Musk was basically their first, and biggest, investor. They didn't actually hire any engineers or, you know, actually start doing anything until Musk's money came into play.
The rule of law in a specific geographic area in a specific period of time isn't nearly as important as the meaning conveyed which is misleading.
Rather than missing the forest for the trees, why might he push for the title of founder? Why might some discredit his efforts and tactics in assuming the founder of title in specific contexts?
He did not play a meaningful role in the beginning of the company and is not responsible for its success. Money was responsible, the two founders' expertise was responsible, that specific person is not special enough for their contribution to matter much. Anyone can supply capital especially during the inflated economic conditions (of which we are suffering the consequences of now) and during the time where EV and technology at large was developed enough to allow such developments to take place.
It sounds like nobody played much of a role at all until ol' moneybags showed up. Money talks, bullshit walks as they say
I think it's work that does the work, a tautology, I think using money as a proxy for work is a convenient hop and skip. When it comes down to a rigorous analysis (of the kind say a climate scientist does in a life-cycle assessment money is to vague a reason. What does it represent? Some amount of gold? Well, the US dollar is no longer pegged to gold à la Bretton Woods, how then does 'money talk'?
You say that, but applies just as well to the first 2 founders.
What expertise? Seriously, tell me what they actually brought to the table aside from pitching their idea for a company and attracting venture capitalist money. They registered the name of a company and had ideas. Not expertise. They hired the expertise, with Musk's money.
Speaking of missing the forest for the trees, tell me this: Is an automotive company "founded" as soon as someone registers the name, or when they begin actual engineering efforts towards building an automobile?
See I'd tend to think that founding a company has to be more than just registering a name. Like maybe that's the dictionary definition, but it seems a bit weak if that's it.
Did musk hire expertise? Or do the actual engineering?
It sounds like your actual argument is that neither he nor they founded the company.
I guess it just sprang into existence on its own...
Was elon choosing who was hired, and managing the initial company team?
Cause if writing the title and coming up with the ideas doesnt count as founding, giving up some cash doesnt either. Thats just buying a company, not founding it.
Yes? That's basically what the initial 5 cofounders/investors did. Start hiring people and managing the company. They basically formed the board of directors.
I know you're desperate to paint Musk in a bad light in any way possible, but how do you pretend that Musk just handed over cash and did nothing else while other people are calling him a micromanaging control freak?
I was meaning to respond but I think other's have. I have one of those 30+ min YouTube videos or similarly ridiculously long blog posts (and a longform article somewhere...) though I think you might not be interested so I'll keep it to myself unless you are interested in a good faith argument (argument, root word is the latin argumentum, to make clear; prove), I would rather not waste your time or my breath if that isn't the case.
This is the entire argument Musk made in court, and honestly I don't think I care. Tarpenning and Eberhard are both engineers with actual inventions and software attributed to their direct design long before the idea of Tesla; Eberhard wrote the company's mission statement and guiding principles, and the two did the market research to discover that an electric vehicle could be a high-end consumer product. At its core, before the battery technology and stators were invented (neither of which Musk contributed to), that's what Tesla was.
While it's true that Musk led development on the Roadster, I think we've seen very publicly over the past year what his "development leadership" looks like and I'm not entirely convinced it's a value-add. (Even before his disastrous year with Twitter, his checkered past leading Paypal—and being forced out for his poor leadership—would give a similar impression.) He didn't come up with the battery tech or the stators. He didn't contribute to a single patent in the early days of Tesla. In fact, that first design of the Roadster probably owed more to Lotus Motors than to Musk himself.
It appears that he did with the Roadster, and the early years at Tesla, what he always does when leading product development: jump into an existing idea, make wild assertions and insistences, let the actual engineers figure out how to do it, and then justify a reason to exclude stuff when it turns out to be unfeasible. He did this demonstrably with SpaceX, Hyperloop, Boring Company, PayPal/Zip2, and now Twitter, and he's done it demonstrably at Tesla with the Cybertruck, so I don't know why it would be a surprise that he did it twenty years ago at Tesla too. He doesn't invent things or lead teams, he just makes noise and bluster.
Which just leaves the money. And would you credit a really loud bank with "founding" a company?
I wouldn't.