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I'm really enjoying no down votes on Beehaw (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Kindajustlikewhat@beehaw.org to c/chat@beehaw.org

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When I first found out it was an interesting concept that I was pretty neutral on but the more I engage/lurk with the community the more I enjoy it.

I generally don't post/comment much on Reddit because I tend to be extremely sincere and that's not always well received. Usually I don't get much hate, but what I do get is a lot of non-interaction mixed with downvotes. And it's just really discouraging when I'm just trying to share my thoughts.

But having no downvotes here is so nice because I'm not afraid that I'm going to get silenced into oblivion. Either people will actually engage with me (and maybe disagree, but in a meaningful way), or they'll move on and not randomly share their disdain via downvoting.

It's such a small change but makes a big difference. I bet a lot of people feel the same as me - it's more comfortable to engage here.

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[–] awfulsystems@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’ve already seen (and reported) some anti-trans bigotry on here, but it had more upvotes than the posts calling it out for what it was because the bigotry was of the “polite and pretending to be well-researched” variety

without downvotes as a tool against crap like that, what have we got? is it against our instance’s “be nice” policy to tell nazi punks to fuck off?

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

without downvotes as a tool against crap like that, what have we got? is it against our instance’s “be nice” policy to tell nazi punks to fuck off?

nope! we're not going to ban for telling a TERF or nazi to eat shit or whatever. we as admins do try to be nice where possible, but you as a user really aren't obligated to be because that's dumb lol. you can also report it to us and in general we dispatch users who are like that as possible (although sidenote: if it's a post off-instance and you report it, unless the user is really, really bad we probably won't do anything immediately because we just can't keep an eye on every possible bad actor.)

[–] meteorswarm@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for clarifying!

I've been super impressed by moderation so far. This morning I saw a post justifying sexism because of Bible verses and by the time I'd mustered a reply it was gone, to my delight.

[–] jrubal1462@vlemmy.net 2 points 1 year ago

That's nice to see. When I first saw the policy of having no downvotes, I wondered if that would leave no recourse against trolls and scumbags, but I guess strong moderation is the key.

I probably wouldn't want the entire internet to be so strongly moderated, but I'm really glad there are some popular places that are. Thanks for doing that.

[–] Hotchpotch@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've seen a lot of toxic crap upvoted on reddit. Personally i prefer moderation over public vote any day.

[–] balderdash9@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Both options are non-ideal. Some mods are on a power trip and public opinion can vary wildly depending on the thread/community

[–] ABlackWaltz@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The admins have taken a stance where this should be a safe space and those being insulted/harassed/discriminated against are welcome to respond in kind. The most important part is to report it so the mods/admins can review and take action as needed.

While it may not be nice to tell nazi punks to fuck off, it will ultimately make for a nicer community if they do - we don't mind community members saying "hey, this isn't cool" in whatever manner they feel necessary.

[–] awfulsystems@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m glad that’s the case! it alleviates a lot of my worries around recommending beehaw to my LGBT+ friends

[–] Lowbird@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've had similar worries, but overall I'm coming around to the idea that for cases of bigotry it's better to just report the bigot and maybe also yell at them (which is allowed) than to put it to a public vote and hope that lands them at -200 downvotes or whatever. Not being able to downvote them stings a bit, but if they get reported and booted reliably, I think it's worth the tradeoff.

Especially since reddit definitely had the same problem in a lot of cases anyway. Sometimes, in some subreddits, transphobia would be downvoted. But in others, the """polite""" or even blatantly not "polite" transphobia would be upvoted. Sometimes even in places where I didn't expect it.

(looking at you, gaming subreddits mad about some trans people asking you not to buy a wizard game, jesus. That ~2 weeks was hell on the internet. And meanwhile, posts calling for people not to pre-order games, or to boycott games that have microtransactions - those are acceptable and go right to the top, apparently! Ugh.)

Edit: ditto for the similar problem of "" polite"" biotruths-styles sexism and racism.

[–] ABlackWaltz@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I highly recommend reviewing this post from Gaywallet: https://beehaw.org/post/107014. Specifically, the Spirit of Beehaw and What is (and isn't) Beehaw. These sections go into what I paraphrased above at length, if you want the admin's full thoughts.