this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2023
38 points (91.3% liked)
Germany
1592 readers
1 users here now
The place to talk/ask about stuff in Germany in English.
Wiki: https://lemmygermany.github.io/wiki/
Many thanks to @Vittelius@feddit.de for creating this!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Maybe that is because this is completely delusional. Palestine has repeatedly refused any deal that would lead to freedom and piece in a world where Israel still exists. Hamas is extremely open about their goal to eradicate Israel in its entirety. Unfortunately, the reality of this conflict is that there is not enough support for a peaceful solution among the Arabic population in the middle east, least of all among Palestinians.
Could you please explain what exactly the deals were that were rejected by the Palestinians?
And which “the Palestinians” rejected these deals? Which Palestinian organization could accept or reject deals? After all, Israel and its allies have never negotiated with Hamas. "You don't negotiate with terrorists!" right?
Even if it was you who supported and promoted this terrorist organization in order to deprive the competing organization of the legitimacy to speak for all of Palestine.
And finally, I would be happy if you could say a little more about why "the Palestinians" found these deals unacceptable.
Or did they really justify it by saying that destroying Israel wasn't part of the deal?
You know, I recently discovered the statements of "Breaking the silence". They taught me how to extract a never-ending stream of terrorists from a population.
Odd statement considering there was (according to the latest Last Week Tonight episode) a survey shortly before the attacks that had about 3/4 of the population supporting a peaceful solution among Palestinians.
A peaceful solution where they control the entire region.
Your view on Arab people is very racist. And your arguments don't hold up considering that Israel and the west repeatedly torpedoed every democratic peoples movement, to the point where in the time leading up to the Al-Aqsa flood they only allowed cash transfers to Hamas pass the checkpoints. Freedom for Palestine is a call to end Apartheid and for a secular state.
The Arabs immediately attacked Israel when the British mandate ended, and Palestine was ruled by the PLO for nearly 30 years, which had a mandate to end Jewish existence in the area. And for the last 17 years they've been ruled by Hamas, who also wanted to eradicate the Jews.
So history has shown that Palestinians are not exactly fond of their "secular" state having Jews in it.
That's a disgusting reversal of the facts. For anyone interested in what really happened I can recommend decolonizepalestine.com Sources are linked everywhere so you can make your own judgment on where the Palestinian narrative makes sense and where it doesn't.
It is not. The fact you call it a disgusting reversal of facts is a disgusting reversal of facts.
And decolonize Palestine is idiotic too, the Palestinian Arabs are colonizers as well.
You can find an academic account on the 1947-48 war here https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537591 .
I dont know how the arabs in palestine are to be seen as colonizers given that the notion of "palestine" came around the turn of the century but frankly I'm not interested in such mental gymnastics.
Most of the Palestinians moved to the area following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War 1.
And the region has seen mass migrations of people for millenia as it has changed hands between the Ottoman Empire, the Abbasid Caliphate, the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, the Persian Empire, the Assyrian Empire, the Babylonians, and plenty of others in between.
Everyone who lives there is a colonizer at some point in the last few hundred years.
Well thanks for sharing I suppose. Its rare to see a definition of colonialism this dumb and a lie so brazen.
The Palestinians took the lands from previous peoples. Sounds like colonization to me.
Either everyone currently in the Palestine area is a colonizer, or no one is.
I mean I probably shouldnt bother but here is some reading material on US colonialism in case you want to see what people actually mean by colonization (it's not immigration)
https://readsettlers.org/text-index.html
do with it what you will. There is a text at the very end comparing Zionism and US Settlerism.