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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?

I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.

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[–] Potfarmer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trump needs to be locked up before he starts a civil war, which is probably his goal tbh.

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The messed up thing is that even locking him up might not stop it, and in fact may accelerate it. We're f'ing doomed.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gosh if only we had some way of altering the flow of events other than locking people up for their ideas.

Guess there’s just no way

— Gulag supporters

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I'm so sick and tired of anyone left of insane here not willing to do what must be done. Time to make those fema camp conspiracy theories come true

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

And the concept that all ideas are valid and have the same merit is just as silly as your scenario. The act of locking a person up for very bad ideas is not new or uncommon. For example, making actual plans to commit a serious crime. Or what about lying to a person to encourage them to do something violent? What about encouraging a crowd of people to riot? What about using words that don't directly encourage violence, but imply that they should be angry and should do "something" about it, while giving very clear indications of who the crowd should be angry at? When do we cross the line from an idea to incitement or conspiracy?

Criminal incitement refers to conduct, words, or other means that urge or naturally lead others to riot, violence, or insurrection.

So here we have a former president using very similar language to a historical genocidal dictator to dehumanize those who oppose him. And he's using that language while speaking to a crowd of supporters who might take his words as encouragement to riot or commit violent acts. We have evidence of that mob behavior being a very real possibility, so it is reasonable to presume that the same type of speech may cause it to happen again.

[–] Chr0nos1@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's coming regardless. The losing party of the next presidential election will probably be the one to rise up, regardless of which party it is. Honestly, if Trump wins, I can see the left revolting, and if Trump loses, I can see the hard right revolting. I think it's a lose/lose situation.

[–] docAvid@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This really feels like false equivalency. Yes, the MAGA crowd has a delusional belief that they are an overwhelming majority, and that electoral losses must mean a rigged election. They are ready to try to take power by force, they've demonstrated that, and there are high up instigators pushing them that way. But "the left" isn't really Democrats, and either way, I don't see any likelihood of a revolution from Leftists or Democrats just in response to an election. Mass protests, yes, but not revolution. Now, if the next election after that is suspended, then we might be close.