I swear I’d not seen the term “christofascism” until this year. It’s an apt term for all the talk about the new speaker of the house, rolling back of Roe v Wade, banning books and increased persecution of LGBT+ rights…

But if I was Christ I’d be pretty darn upset right now. I talk about love and tolerance and peace and you’re going to use my name to make shitty, power grabbing, political, oppressive moves? The fuckin audacity. I’d be flipping tables and calling out the hypocrites.

I know it’s a conversation as old as time. I also don’t believe Christian’s should be able to point at it and say “yeh but that’s not MY Jesus.” Doesn’t fucking matter, they’re identifying as a You so if You don’t do something about it then it’s as good as doin it yourself.

Sigh.

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[+] Nominel@kbin.run -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

they’re identifying as a You so if You don’t do something about it then it’s as good as doin it yourself.

That's an interesting idea. Would you apply this rule evenly across all groups, or only in special cases?

To give an example, the rate of people with Tourette Syndrome is around 0.5% (less than 1 in 200). The rate of people who fake Tourettes is much higher.
Applying your rule, if a person with Tourettes doesn't speak up against the larger group of people faking Tourettes, is that as bad as them faking Tourettes themselves?

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not sure. Maybe the difference is that Christianity is something you choose to align with, Tourette’s is a medical issue.

[–] Nominel@kbin.run 1 points 1 year ago

That's a good point.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People with Tourettes don't get a choice in having tourettes and they don't try and spread tourettes actively to other people because you can't. Ideologies are different. If you create a group defined by an idea then the make up of the group includes contradictory information then those outside the group will either expand the definition of the ideology to reflect it's actual makeup or the inside needs to police it's own borders or be content to deal with people using that definition. What "Christian" means is malleable, what tourettes is not.

[–] Nominel@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm, that's a great point. It reminds me of fandom groups where most people are just trying to have fun and enjoy the fan content, but then a vocal group of unpleasant people will also designate themselves part of the fandom and damage its public image.
In that situation, the only thing that really seems to fix the public image of the group is having an authoritative leader (such as a creator of the original work, or a fandom conference organizer) making a public statement like "We do not condone persecution, we support the right to abortion, LGBT+ people are welcome at our fandom conference, etc".

Tying back to the original topic, maybe the equivalent would be if well-known Christian leaders were to make statements like that?

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably not? A fandom has a "canon" with usually a creator who has an authorial intent. Religious leaders are more like secondary interpreters of a work something more akin to like youtube critics. Even if you got the heads to all agree on something if the rest of the group continues as they always have or disowns or changes their leader then people on the outaide looking in will still expand their definition to fit the best and worst of a thing. What people's personal experiences are with a group are also a formative thing.

Like for me my most regular everyday experience with visible Christianity is a guy near my train station with a megaphone and a Jesus paste board sign who I try not to make eye contact with or draw attention from because he has attacked other visibly queer people in the past. My definition of Christian is gunna include him just as much as like the Pope or the Sisters of Perpetual indulgence. The difference being that I don't really have to worry about what the Pope or the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are doing.