The consumption is the point. They just want candy not a meal. They want fucking marvelslop not Cinema.
Inb4 let people enjoy things, the mindset on display is a perfect member of capitalist society. A mindless consumption machine.
this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023
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I despise what Marvel has done to the movie industry but I have literally no reason to despise or hate those who continue to watch the movies. As long as it sucks it sucks. This one person not watching the movie doesn’t magically make it not have any control over the industry, and literally bullying people for watching it is not some sort of cool gamer move. It’s just weird and antisocial. Bullying works with veganism, yeah, but that’s because most people don’t have entire social networks that are partially dependent on eating meat. These people are literally addicted to Marvel. Removing it from their reality would be akin to just making them unable to participate in… maybe at least 60% of conversations their friends have. It’s more akin to trying to bully someone into not eating around other people- You’re not going to be able to do it no matter how hard you try, not without removing their incentivize to in the first place (socialization).
What bothers me is that shitting on people for liking X thing has become it’s own kind of “treat”, a form of slop that people absolutely shit themselves in anger over when someone points out how it’s flawed. Like, Jesus Christ, I am not saying that you can’t criticize the movies I’ve already criticized like 4 times in this thread alone, just maybe don’t be an asshole to random people you’ve never met who are doing nothing wrong? Criticizing works of art, hell, even insinuating that the mere consumption of it is problematic, does not require you to actually consider those who consume it as bad people and in most cases they just blatantly aren’t.
Watching these sorts of weird, reactionary-tasting anger over X person who consumes Y thing is like watching people complain about water flooding all their crops, so they shout at the waterfall until it stops moving. It lacks any sort of analysis, it’s like a ironically and hilariously mindless substitute for actual concern over what these movies do to people
I understand we need to vent our emotions somehow, but actual systemic critique, analysis, and finding solutions to how Marvel has entrenched itself into society is right there and if you aren’t going to do it just because it’s too hard, and would prefer to do something more mindless, then… Yeah! Fair! But maybe don’t criticize other people for not always consuming leftist theory instead of brainless slop, then.
Edit: I’m just tired.
Your treat will be safe without your totally-not-reacting-with-anger blowing up all over this thread about some particular treat of yours being criticized. The treat will still be there in the morning, no matter what mean things were said about it.
Ok I was trying to be vulnerable and you’re just going all
in here.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have any empathy for other human beings whatsoever?
Seriously, Jesus fucking Christ, do some self crit. I was trying to be patient and I still stand by that the way I said what I said was toxic and bad, but holy shit stop being a smug asshole and just… actually care about another person for once. I was angry at you because I legitimately cared about you not being an asshole because I respected you. I don’t see any reason to continue respecting you if you’re not going to be willing to step back and consider why I’m saying what I’m saying here.
Not everyone who gets angry is doing “treat defense”. I’m a human being and the reason I’m getting angry is because I’ve seen numerous times now of people just completely disregarding that what I’m saying has any value whatsoever, while never really explaining why I shouldn’t care. Do you think I just shouldn’t care about how people act to each other online?
Do you really think I’m so stupid that I know that will be used to repress any weird mannerisms or behaviors I accidentally have the moment they show up? I know how this works. I’ve been autistic for literally decades. It’s the same shit people pulled with the furry fandom, it’s the same shit people pulled with videos of kids getting angry online, it’s the same shit people on the internet pull every single day so they can legitimize their desire to repress and control others.
Yeah, I’m pissed about it. Yeah, if the “treat” I’m defending is my own ability to be myself online in a space I like without being ridiculed or made fun of because I made a single misstep and acted “cringe”, then I am a “treat defender”. The fact you can’t even try and realize that the person on the other side of the screen isn’t even trying to defend any piece of media is the most frustrating part of this. I don’t care about marvel, I don’t care about this person’s obsessive interest with marvel, I don’t care about any of that. I just don’t like how toxic this community has become and it’s been getting more and more frustrating with people basically fucking gaslighting me every time I bring up how uncomfortable it is.
I just replied to your other post and I did respect the vulnerability you showed. My reply up there was before I read that from you.
Chronologically, yes, I was upset those minutes ago because you were dodging things you had already said and at the same time were calling me "really stupid" and later on accusing me of "reactionary-tasting anger."
I didnt try to dodge any of it. I acknowledged all of it I could think of and left it up explicitly because I wanted to make sure anything I didn’t leave up was left for people to see when I apologized.
What are you even talking about? I have no idea what you think I’m dodging. I know you were linking my comment over and over but I just… didn’t respond because I thought I had already covered it with what I said. I know that’s a dumb way to apologize but I mean I’m not really that smart
I know I should have responded to that individually, at least in retrospect, but my apology was over my general tone and everything. I didn’t know you were angry at me over the three question marks specifically and thought you were just angry about them as an example of the tone I used.
There's a lot more already in this thread if you just scroll up what you've already said to me, but insulting me from the start in your very first reply and then dodging that insult while making accusations and presumptions about what I said in the worst possible light makes it hard to generously interpret things at this point.
Being called very stupid from the start was the issue and it got worse when you did rhetorical backflips to simultaneously say you didn't insult me from the start while continuing to insult me while framing what I said (or presumably, previously said because it's not even in this thread) in the above quoted ways.
I LITERALLY NEVER DID, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
If I did this, I didn’t even realize. I know that’s not a great excuse but I legitimately don’t know what you’re even talking about
And all those things you pointed out, yeah? Those were the things I was apologizing for? Except for the “this is not treat defense” thing which is just me saying that I’m not defending a treat because there isn’t a single consumer item I’m actually defending or even care about relative to this conversation?
Does “treat defense” mean something other than someone vehemently defending some sort of piece of media? Like does it just mean anyone angry online? I’m not being sarcastic I might legitimately have just misinterpreted what it meant
Between this post and the other one you just made:
I don't think anything I say after this point is going to help. I'm not changing my position, especially not now. While I still respect what you admitted and showed previously, almost immediately after that you started all-caps demonstrating more of the same hostility you had replied to me with, in this thread, from the start.
I suppose the definition can be expanded to outright reactive hostility toward even the idea or possibility of media criticism and taking it up as a personal cause, as if one is in personal danger if that entertainment product is criticized. Calling me "really stupid" because I posted an edited webcomic you clearly didn't like and going on and on from there, all because I do believe people should let people not enjoy things (and yes, criticize them).
You apparently didn't like that the edit used the term "thought police." I didn't make the edit, I just used material on hand. But this exchange so far has in some ways only hardened my position about how unfortunately and excessively defensive some people can get at even the idea of their entertainment getting criticized.
the media people consume influences/reflects their personalities and attitudes. if you are consuming something 'just because others are consuming it' it betrays a lack of critical thinking, and a kind of bandwagon effect attitude. if people are 'literally addicted' to Marvel then it is by your own admission very problematic. the solution to addiction isn't to just keep letting the addict use without any effort to control and reduce usage. that 60% of their conversations could ideally be used for something beautiful or useful, but instead is squatted by bland, meaningless, corporate garbage with zero artistic integrity or cultural value. corporate slop is, let me be perfectly clear, a weapon of psychological warfare forced upon the masses by corporate media campaigns. media isn't some kind of utopian democracy where the 'best' thing or 'naturally/objectively most popular' thing 'wins' the grand popularity contest; media attitudes are manufactured by marketers and inflicted on the public via expansive and expensive propaganda campaigns.
its not that these are 'bad people' (as if the opinion of random internet posters would matter in that regard), its that they exhibit what some leftists consider to be problematic behavior and thought processes. and since they are not on this board to have their feelings hurt we use the format of 'dunking'. this is a trait not unique to hexbear but common to english language, where the fundamental misattribution error is basically baked in to the syntax and grammar.
like yeah, we're not going to write a marxist essay for every marvel enjoyer analysing their plight and oppression. these treats are mostly for rich white suburban kids and their parents, marvel enjoyers are not some oppressed minority yearning to be free of the yoke of hexbears telling them they like silly mindless shit. we are going to dunk on them like we do for EVERY SINGLE OTHER example of problematic thought or behavior.
just like we don't pearl-clutch over nazis or cops or liberals that support genocide, who were 'just victims of propaganda and society' (which is true!), we don't pearl clutch over this kind of problematic mindlessness either.
media consumption is not some kind of sacred event that cannot ever be criticized in another, we are allowed to draw conclusions, even critical and negative ones, from the behaviors and attitudes of others.
Good point